Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

HELLO ,.. look there are some irrelevant points here but I have COMPILED an forcast for Iran and its possible future.WHICH IS BASED ON FACTS....but now I dont want to write tons of bla bla here since we are targeted lot of ignorent participants who cant tolerate any one with correct information....pretend to be "one of us".....but WHEN THE MOMENT IS RIGHT i WILL PASS THE POLITICAL FORCAST ABOUT iran.....UNFORTUNATELLY IRAN IS IN THE AGENDA OF USA... THEY WILL ATTACK IRAN....BUT THIS HAS IT TIME TO MATURE..as they did Irak....FIRST THEY PUT IN ACTION THE KURDISH CARD FOR SOME YEAR NOW. the kurds are no any joke at all....the Iranians had plenty of lost with the clashes of Kurdish separatists.....than of course the%25 percent Azeri population and %5 Turkmens population are the political jokers in this game of USA....look the recent escape of foreign investments from Iran plainly shows that Iran will enter long term economic crisis....remember the caricature fiasco which let millions to march in streets...this was an provocation from outside plainly to tast Iranian social deterioration...and USA GOT THE PICTURE of THE IRANIAN SOCIETY ..they think it can be manupulated.......bringing persian nationalist of 50 million against 20 millons azeri nationalst which you call pan-turks.....but you should remember Ahmedinejad is a persian nationalist no any azeri origin.....to the point that he named the soccer national team "persian stars"....

Mr. Ahmadinejad is a typical azeri turk with armenoid look. You can not find any more typical azeri turk. He is similar to Shirin Ebadi, another Azeri Turk.

Azeri Turk Separatism in Iran

Azeri Turk Separatism: Is it True?

Robert Kaplan in "The Coming of Anarchy" points out that the rise tribalism in 21 century due to globalization and weakening of the state power is the biggest event for the new times. His prediction is entirely right. But he thinks the wars of tribalism happen outside state similar to Africa. In Iran we actually see the opposite trend. An Azeri Turk tribe has taken over the state in Iran and uses the state as the tool for its policies. This has led to a "centralized tribal state" in Iran.

The consequence of "Azeri Turk Centralized Tribal State" in Iran with access to oil revenues with a barrel of oil costing over 100 dollars, has been daily execution for other ethnic minorities in Iran. Those include Kurds, Baluchs, Arabs and others who being executed on a daily basis by the Azeri Turk tribal regime.

Once tribalism assumes a centralized state form, there is no reason for Azeri Turks to separate from Iran as their tribal demands can be met within the tribal state.

Anatolian Turks have a Pan Turk agenda whereby they want to unite all turks and establish some kind of political-economical European Union type political unit between them. They are very interested to have Azeris in Iran separate from Iran and join Turkey.

Anatolian turks look at different countries and try to find Pan-Turk political movements and try to promote and support these political movements. A good example is The Republic of Azerbaijan where they promote the ruling party under Aliev.

They follow the same policies in Iran. For example anatolian turks promote President Ahmadinejad who is a Azeri Pan Turk nationalist. Also anatolian turks think Azeris in Iran are of the same type of Azeris as those in the Republic of Azerbaijan.

The problem with this analysis is that Azeri Pan Turkism in Iran not only does not consider itself as an ally of Anatolian turks, but it is a direct rival to Anatolian turks and have the same agenda for Turks in Caucasus and Central Asia although it calls its scheme for "Pan-Iranism".

Also Azeris in Iran have no desire to separate from Iran as long as they are a ruling force in the government of Iran. They can steal and get all the oil revenue and deny the same resources to all other ethnic groups. Turkey can not offer these resources to Azeris in Iran.

To explain "Azeri Turk Separatism in Iran" more directly is to say: "If you put a gun on an Azeri head and say separate from Iran, they will not do it". Why should Azeris separate from Iran??? Azeri Turks both in Azerbaijan and Tehran are stealing all the oil money. Baluchs and Arabs do not even have water well to drink water from. This is "Azeri Turk separatism" fraud scheme by the regime in Tehran. Not only Azeri Turks are not planning to separate from Iran, Azeri Turks are moving into different parts of Iran specially to oil rich areas in south and the Caspian Region to get control of these resources.

The real point is Azeri Separatism is a fraud scheme by President Ahmadinejad. His scheme is something like this: "Azeris are oppresed in Iran" so we should hand over all Iran's resouces to Azeri Turks. Also we should destroy all ethnicities in Iran so Azeri's are not offended. You can even see Azeri Turks talk about a scheme for "ethnicity conversion". Azeris are supposed to become "Persians". That is one side. The other side is Azeri regime in Tehran is taking over The Republic of Azerbaijan and also it is planning to impose its own version of Pan Turkism on Turkey. That is the Islamization of Turkey. So Azeri Pan Turkism in Iran poses a serious threat to the security of Turkey too.

That is why the general strategy that Anatolian turks have for other countries does not work in Iran. This constitute the basis of the alliance of Anatolian Turks and Persians in Iran. Only Persian political power in Iran will remove Iran as a Pan Turk rival to Turkey in Central Asia. It will also remove Iran as Pan Turk state which attempts to impose its version of Pan Turkism on Turkey in the form of Islamization or "Pan Azerism" or "Pan Iranism".

http://azeriseparatism.blogspot.com/

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Orange Revolution in Iran

The Islamic Republic regime of Iran is an outdated regime. It was formed under chaotic forms under its revolutionary period in 1979. Today this regime is going through its last stages of decay. The solutions available for the regime is varied but each of these solutions has its own engine and might transform the regime into entirely different political space in Iran. Compared to the three main engines of revolution, Islam itself appears as seconday force.

1, First engine of Revolution is Pan Turkism and Tribalism under the leadership of President Ahmadinejad. It is based on Azeri Turk tribalism and will lead to a model similar to Idi Amin's regime in Uganda. This faction is allied with US and specially with American Liberal xxxs. In Iraq, this faction is closely allied with Mughtada Al Sadr. This faction represents the engine of Pan Turkism. Its objective is the policy of Turkification of Iran.

2. Secular Persian Monarchy. This is similar to Shah's regime but with certain modifications. This is the engine of westernization. It is based on secular middle and upper classes. University graduates in Iran are attracted to this model. University students in Iran are the biggest political headache for the regime in Tehran.

3. Socialist Revolution based on an alliance of secular left forces with Islamic elements. This faction of regime is called the Islamic faction and is under the leadership of Ayattolah Khamnei. This faction is allied mostly with Europeans and Russians. This faction has more pro-persian policies and includes Persians and other natives of Iran. In Iraq, this faction is allied with President Talabani and Ayattollah Sistani. This faction represents the "Engine of Socialist Revolution" even though it is composed of both Islamic and Socialist elements.

Orange Revolution was supposed to be an alliance of Pan Turks and Monarchy forces under the leadership of Bush Administration. This option would have led to an "Idi Amin tribal regime in Uganda" model with a combination of "Pan TurkTribalism" with "Criminal-Maffia" forces under the leadership of President Ahmadinejad..

http://adolphahmadi.blogspot.com/

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Your blog also makes political calculations based on the percieved shape of people's noses and the degree of their cheekbones... do we really need to explain to you why no one takes you seriously?

Of course. Mr. Ahmadinejad claims he is Persian. How are you going to prove he is a Pan Turk Tribalist?

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Mexicans take over the US government

Azeri Turks are nationals of Iran. But are Azeri Turks who rule Iran today are natives of Iran?

The debate about who is Iranian is not very familiar to people from other countries and they do not really understand what is debated. Therefore I am going to place it in an American context so they understand what we are talking about. Azeri Turks are Iranian nationals. But who is really Iranian with Iranian culture and traditions? This is what this debate is about.

Assume Mexicans take over Washington D.C. and the US government. On assuming power in US, Mexicans order all TV stations to stop showing the pictures of European American and only pictures of Mexcians will be shown on TV.

Mexicans tell Americans that they are the real Americans and have lived in US for thousands of years!!!!! Because of a previous foreign invasion by Mongols 1000 years earlier Mexicans have changed their language to Spanish but they are genuine Americans and nobody can tell the difference between a Mexican and an European American.

Also Mexicans try to force European Americans to move to Washington DC and the population of Washington DC goes from half a million to 50 million people. The reason is Mexicans control only Washington DC and have no control over other areas in US.

Mexicans tell Americans that European American do not exist in US and they are only a myth and we are all Gringos and we have the same culture and forget about your past ethnic origin. We are all mixed. The reason that Mexicans look different from European Americans is because of invasion by Arabs 1000 years earlier where Americans got mixed with Arabs.

Also Mexicans produce a lot of DNA and Genetic charts proving that they are Scandinavians.

Mexicans claim that "the real mexicans look like mongols" therefore "Mexicans are not really Mexicans but they are European-Americans". Mexicans tell all their Mexican citizens to state "Caucasian Ethnicity" and never mention "Mexican" on the internet when they are asked about their ethnicity. "Caucasian" is not really an ethnicity but is used by American Tax authorities to know how many rich oil arab sheiks live in US!!!!

To confuse people totally, Mexicans inter-change the term Mexican with European-American. They order all TV stations to call Mexicans for European Americans and call European-Americans for Mexicans. The Mexican president of US is called a European American. And the former European-American Queen of US who was appointed by the British is called a Mexican.

Cuba which is a Mexican colony to US and is run by Mexicans goes even further and shows the pictures of Russians and claims they are the real Mexicans!!!!

Mexicans even kidnap some mongols from Mongolia and bring them to US and force them to speak Spanish language. Mexicans show these mongols on TV and tell the Americans that these are the mongols who forced Mexicans to speak spanish. So it is not Mexicans fault that they speak Spanish but it is the mongols fault. Americans do not know that Mongols do not speak even a word of spanish and their language is completely different from Spanish.

Also Mexicans re-write American History and prove that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were all Mexicans.

Also Mexicans import a lot of Mexicans from Mexico and send them to other states and try to mix up Mexicans with Native Americans.

Anybody objects to what Mexicans are doing, will be called "skin heads" and "KKK" and "White-Superamacist" and accused of racial profiling.

Assume Canada is a hispanic country. Canada knows these people are really Mexicans and not European-Americans.. Everytime Canada talks about Mexicans are our hispanic brothers, Mexicans accuse Canada of "Grey Wolves Pan-Canadian expansionism" and Canada is trying to promote "separatism" in US and tell Canadians to buzz off as Mexicans are European-Americans and have nothing to do with Canadians.

I let you imagine how US would look like under these conditions!!!!!! And this is the situation in Iran today with Azeri turks ruling Iran.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Of course. Mr. Ahmadinejad claims he is Persian. How are you going to prove he is a Pan Turk Tribalist?

By looking at his political record to reach a conclusion, not by studying his gene pool. How can you use 'genetics' to deduce that he is a Pan-Turk Tribalist? Pan-Turkism is an ideology and a political goal, not a genetic trait.

And plus, the main thing that Ahmadinejad has promoted during his entire political career (mayor of Tehran, Governor-General of Kurdistan, etc.), has been religious values and the continuance of the Iranian Revolution, not Pan-Turkism. Please prove otherwise, without using the shape of his nose to come to a conclusion.

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

By looking at his political record to reach a conclusion, not by studying his gene pool. How can you use 'genetics' to deduce that he is a Pan-Turk Tribalist? Pan-Turkism is an ideology and a political goal, not a genetic trait.

And plus, the main thing that Ahmadinejad has promoted during his entire political career (mayor of Tehran, Governor-General of Kurdistan, etc.), has been religious values and the continuance of the Iranian Revolution, not Pan-Turkism. Please prove otherwise, without using the shape of his nose to come to a conclusion.

The reality is he is not Persian and he is an Azeri Turk. To see what is Pan Turkism in Iran you should read this:

The Policy of Turkification of Iran

http://azeriturks.blogspot.com

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

The reality is he is not Persian and he is an Azeri Turk. To see what is Pan Turkism in Iran you should read this:

The Policy of Turkification of Iran
http://azeriturks.blogspot.com

The reality is that your blog is only a cute theory, it contains speculation with no solid facts.

You're saying that the Azeri 'plan' is to have Azeris moving into all the different parts of Iran, mixing with the native populations, while non-Azeris are being moved into Iranian Azerbaijan. If its such a well-known fact, why don't you provide population charts before and after this policy went into effect?

And again, why don't you provide proof from Ahmadinejad's political record (he has a pretty long one) that he is conducting pan-Turk policies?

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

The reality is that your blog is only a cute theory, it contains speculation with no solid facts.

You're saying that the Azeri 'plan' is to have Azeris moving into all the different parts of Iran, mixing with the native populations, while non-Azeris are being moved into Iranian Azerbaijan. If its such a well-known fact, why don't you provide population charts before and after this policy went into effect?

And again, why don't you provide proof from Ahmadinejad's political record (he has a pretty long one) that he is conducting pan-Turk policies?

Check this on Iranian Arabs in Khuzestan. Several million Azeri Turks have moved into Khuzestan and arabs are being relocated:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/irans-occupied-territories/

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

First of all, the article is written by someone who works for the British government, which is probably the strongest supporter of ethnic tension in Iran.

Even if the article is true (although it seems a bit exaggerated), the Iranian regime comes down just as hard on Zoroastrians and Bahais, and anyone else who challenges their power.

Having said that, it says nowhere on the site that they moved Azeri Turks into Khuzestan, except for a comment on the page, which was left by you.

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

First of all, the article is written by someone who works for the British government, which is probably the strongest supporter of ethnic tension in Iran.

Even if the article is true (although it seems a bit exaggerated), the Iranian regime comes down just as hard on Zoroastrians and Bahais, and anyone else who challenges their power.

Having said that, it says nowhere on the site that they moved Azeri Turks into Khuzestan, except for a comment on the page, which was left by you.

He says non-natives have been moved to Khuzestan. Those are Azeri Turks. Yes. the regime also attacks Kurds and Baluchs and everbody else. What is your point??????