Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

[Anonymouse]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Very good idea. To Moderator: Could you please inform these people that Oslonor is not the same as SattarKhan. We are probably in entirely different continents.

Secondly Armenian on the Armenian Hyestan forum in Armenia has welcomed me very warmly. I do not understand the reason for your attitude here. The forum is in Russian.

Oslonor was not the same as SattarKhan.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

He says non-natives have been moved to Khuzestan. Those are Azeri Turks.

Thats according to you, as the article does not specify, so you are just speculating. But again, I'm not inclined to believe the details in the article as it is written indirectly by the British government, which has aided seperatist groups to carry out attacks inside Khuzestan among other places.

Actually, much of the information on the web about Iran's Arab minority is done by British government groups.

Yes. the regime also attacks Kurds and Baluchs and everbody else. What is your point??????

The point is they attack anyone who can potentially threaten their power, and this does not mean that it is a Pan-Turkic agenda, as any unpopular regime behaves in the same way. Obviously this does not justify anything, but this is the reality.


So is that your proof of a Pan-Turkic conspiracy in Iran? An article, written by a biased source, which does not even mention Turks or Azeris?

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

oslonor what is your point !!!!!!!!who cares about azeris if they were chinees or african origin......talk and write some thing that can have impact on the future.....dont make anf fuss about your ideas .....azeris didnt care about armenians when they stsrted to kill them in Baku regardless they were babies or elder people......so lets talk some nation who deserves to talk because has values to talk....

Azeri Turks are your allies. You call them "Iranians". They will soon be the allies of Azeris in Baku. It looks to me you are not real armenians.

[jgk3]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Oslonor, I've read that the leadership of Iran is indeed headed by Azeris, but that they desire oppressing and subduing both Persians and Azeris as ethnic groups, to create their "Iranian" identity. If this is true, then Iran, even if it's headed by a leadership of ethnic Iranian Azeris, isn't exactly very buddyish with the Azeris in Baku.

My point of view is, the regime in Iran only cares about keeping power, they care about forging an Iranian identity with their "Pan-Iranism" as you call it, but it has nothing to do with Pan-Turkism.

[oslonor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

Oslonor, I've read that the leadership of Iran is indeed headed by Azeris, but that they desire oppressing and subduing both Persians and Azeris as ethnic groups, to create their "Iranian" identity. If this is true, then Iran, even if it's headed by a leadership of ethnic Iranian Azeris, isn't exactly very buddyish with the Azeris in Baku.

My point of view is, the regime in Iran only cares about keeping power, they care about forging an Iranian identity with their "Pan-Iranism" as you call it, but it has nothing to do with Pan-Turkism.

There is no "Iranian" ethnicity and there is no "Iranian identity". You can not create something that you do not know anything about. By "Iranian identity" they mean Persian identity. But Azeri Turks do not have Persian culture. They have Azeri Turk culture. So "Pan Iranism" is Pan Turkism.

[jgk3]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

no. I know that there is no such thing as Iranian identity, but I'm saying Ahmadinejad is fostering idea of pan-Iranism anyway with his Islamic regime. He doesn't want Azeris or Persians to exist as ethnic groups. He wants to throw that all in the garbage, in favor of "Iranian ethnicity". The Azeri origins of the Iranian leadership mean nothing for Azeris as an ethnic group in Iran. It's just another gang, another leadership that wants to consolidate as much power over its people as possible.

I don't know all that much about the subject, but this is what I gather.

[Hellektor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

There are no “Azeris” in Iran. This term is a Judeo-Turco-Bolshevik creation that's not even half a century or so old.

While there's no doubt the Zionists and pan-Turkists are working hard to brainwash the Iranian people of Azarbaijan (the real), the majority knows they are merely Turkish speaking Iranians and their affinity is to Iran, not to pan-Turkism.

If you like to learn more about this, please read my exposé And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd.

I copy/paste from the Conclusion section of the above:

• ...IV. Nowhere and in no historical document is there a word about a nation called “Azeri”. While the Persian dialect of the people of the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) has been called Pahlavi Azari or Irani Azari by some Islamic historians, never has the term ever been applied to a nation before the end of the 1930s, about two decades after the counterfeiting of fake “Azerbaijan”.
  
  
• V. A language derived from Turkish called “Azeri” does not exist. Turks of the Caucasus speak a dialect of Turkish.
  
  
• VI. As a result of Turkic domination in the region, the people of the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) south of the Arax River have gradually lost their native Pahlavi language, however, they are Turkish speaking Iranians and cannot be considered Turks. The obvious reason that backs this claim is that their affinity is to Iran and not to pan-Turkism.
  
  
• VII. The people of Aghvank (Aran/Aluania) living to the north and the people of Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) living to the south of the Arax River have always been two separate, unrelated entities throughout history in racial, linguistic, religious, cultural and national terms.
  
  
• ...IX. Their [fake “Azeris”] claim to be of so-called “Albanian” (Aghvan) descent faded totally when instead of keeping the name of the nation they pretend to be their origins, these leftovers of Oghuz invaders that lived under a tribal clan system up to and well after the counterfeiting of their fabricated “nation” called themselves “Azeri”, nonexistent in human history.
  
  

[jgk3]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

thanks for explaining that.

[Hellektor]

Re: Is Iran Developing an Azeri Problem?

thanks for explaining that.

You're welcome.

[Hellektor]

For those who still haven't figured out

This/these Oslonor bot/figure/figures is/are a/a group of pan-Turkist(s) who cunningly want(s) to separate the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) that's been a part of Iran for 2300 years (and before that known as Lesser Media) and give it to the bogus Azgarbageland that was artificially inseminated in 1918.

Since the Turks couldn’t steal Azarbaijan (the real) from Iran despite 222 years of wars with the Iranian Safavid dynasty, they resorted to sonofabitchery in the same fashion it has been the case for a thousand years; just like in the case of the Armenian Genocide, where they destroyed the elite and the able-bodied men before exterminating the women, children and elderly.

They have done this by artificially fabricating the counterfeit state of fake “Azerbaijan” on Armenian territory in 1918, which served the double purpose of preventing the liberation of Armenian eastern territory not under Ottoman yoke and a base to falsify history with their Zionist lovers, to later claim the real Azarbaijan.

A look at the map of the region will show that this will suffocate Armenia in a Turkish quagmire. That's pan-Turkist rule No1: Destroy Armenia.

The failed Pishevari government at the end of WWII and the occupation of the real Azarbaijan, at a time when the Armenians were fighting fascism, being sacrificed in hundreds of thousands to liberate Auschwitz and Berlin among other places, clearly confirms this.

Oslonor(s) pretend(s) to care about Armenians and he-she-it /they spread(s) his-her-its/their meaningless, confusing mishmash on all Armenian forums and some. While he-she-it/they succeed in fooling some for a short while, their bluff is easily debunked by the average readers.

No Iranian will allow a single square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. Just think of the three tiny islands in the Persian Gulf, claimed by the Emirates. No Iranian is demanding a single square nanometer of Afghanistan. This is a blatant pan-Turkist lie.

To recapitulate:

• I. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe that the Turkish speaking Iranians living in the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) are one and the same as the bogus “nation” north of the Arax.
  
  Wrong, a thousand times wrong yet this is what pan-Turkists claim.
  
  
• II. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe a nation called “Azeri” exists.
  
  Wrong, a thousand times wrong, yet this is what pan-Turkists claim.
  This fake “nation” was artificially created by Ottomans and Bolsheviks to destroy Armenia.
  
  
• III. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe the fictitious “nation” speaks a language called “Azeri”.
  
  Wrong, a thousand times wrong, yet this is what pan-Turkists claim.
  They speak a dialect of Turkish. So do the Turkish speaking Iranians as a result of centuries long Turkish domination of the area. Azari was referred to by Arab historians to the language spoken in the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) and it was a dialect of Pahlavi Persian.
  
  
• IV. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe that Iran should be dissected according to that devil Bernard Lewis' project.
  
  This has been a pan-Turkists delirium for centuries.
  No self-respecting Iranian will want a square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. The only ones who want this are pan-Turkists like Oslonor(s) and their Anglo/Zionist supporters.
  
  
• V. Oslonor(s) is/are not even Iranian; he-she-it/they say(s) this on his-her-its/their blog.

The best thing is to ignore this Oslonor bot.