Liberation of Western Armenia

[tirvana]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I myself think the same as the Armenians, "most of the Turks are stupid", like Aziz Nesin had said once.

For that reason, turks had governed armenians for about 1000 years and for that reason, turks founded a world empire and had lands on three continents and for that reason, when Istanbul conquered by turks, chiristians were allowed to be free in their religion ( also now) and go to their chuches, for that reason,turks accepted the j e ws who escaped from Spain in 1492,for that reason turks beated five emperialist countries 90 years ago
If I was governed by another country for centuries. I couldn't put up with that, I would think the same as you. you re right...
And Let's look old Yugoslavia, 15 years ago 250.000 muslims massacred by serbians in the middle of Europe (modern Europe) and yugoslavia broken into pieces now, we see new countries there
Lets look, middle east which was governed by ottomans in peace for centuries. And then, Great Britain, France, Italy drew the borders of Iraq, Syria and other countries (and now America want to draw new borders once again in the middle east.)
And Lets look Palastine, j e ws had wanted ottomans to settle down the region of palastine in exchange of money in the past and rejected by Ottomans. but Great Britain allowed them and they were settled down day by day .And now "so called arabs who hate from turks" are killed everyday by Israil.

Yes you are right, turks are stupid, because they could have massacred all of the armenians in Anatolia easly instead of a deportation to Syria or Lebanon and because turkey is one of the countries who first recognize Armenian Republic, and because now there are 33 armenian churches just in Istanbul and because turkey forgot that 33 turk ammbassadors and their wifes were killed by armenians in some parts of the world in the past and because there is Armenian Patriarchate in Istanbul....etc
I agree with you...

[skhara]

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15 years ago 250.000 muslims massacred by serbians in the middle of Europe (modern Europe) and yugoslavia broken into pieces now, we see new countries there

Wow! In the entire Balkan war the casualties didn't even add up to that. Poor "muslims". Get lost, as a matter of fact, the beastial sadism perpetrated by those "muslims" could only have been learned by your kind.

I'm sick of all the turkic invaders of this forum repeating the same exact bullxxxx.

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

In related topic:

Armenia plans to occupy Abkhazia? Georgian intelligentsia accuses Armenians of genocide of Georgians

APA news agency (Baku) reports that 60 representatives of the Georgian intelligentsia have demanded that Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili recognize the genocide committed by Armenians in Georgia.

They say that in 1993, the “Bagramyan” military unit, together with Abkhazians, fought against the Georgian army and killed Georgians living in Abkhazia: “Before the Czar, Russia populated Georgian Javakheti with Armenians, there had been no single Armenian in that region. However, today Javakheti is mentioned as part of Armenia. Having ‘crippled’ the Georgian monuments in the territory of Javakheti, the Armenians are not trying to convince everybody that they are Armenian. All this is being done systematically, and so, must be recognized as a genocide against the Georgian nation.”

Member of the Supreme Council of Abkhazia in exile Akaky Gasviani supports this initiative and points out that the Armenians have a big role in the “occupation” of Georgian lands and the establishment of the separatist regime in Abkhazia.

The Golos Armenii daily publishes the abridged version of the article “What Is Armenia Plotting Against Georgia,” published in the Aisi daily (Georgia) (#36, Oct 3-9 2006). Golos Armenii says that the article tells how Armenians populated Abkhazia and Ajaria and what the atrocities the “Bagramyan” battalion committed during the war against the Georgians. "Journalist Gogneli quotes “some expert on Armenian problems” as saying:

“If anybody thinks that the Russians will appropriate Abkhazia, he is mistaken. Should they – God forbid — recognize Abkhazia as an independent, the Armenians will occupy this region in just one year. Today, they are silent and are just waiting for a good opportunity. But as soon as it happens, they will rise and appropriate this Georgian region. Today, they are trying to occupy Abkhazia’s sea coast — they are actively working in this direction. Then, they will ‘take care of’ Javakheti” and, finally, they will get access to the sea. This is a part of their “Great Armenia” plan. So, we, the Georgians, must be vigilant and wise. I wonder if our leadership is thinking about it?"

The Azg daily says that, neither in the Georgian mass media nor via its own sources in Georgia, has it managed to find anything that could prove the information of the Georgian daily. Asked by Azg to comment on the statement, Ambassador of Georgia to Armenia Revaz Gachechiladze said that he knows nothing about such a statement and, even if it was made, he, first of all, wants to know the names of its authors. “In any case, this is not the position of the Georgian Government.”

Link: http://www.regnum.ru/english/739111.html?forprint

[BARIŞ]

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I'm sick of all the turkic invaders of this forum repeating the same exact bullxxxx.

But I thought that you holy Armenians were trying to have Turks accept quasi genocide. Holy Armenians then should tell Turks a reason why Turks should not deem what holy Armenians claim as a bullxxxx, if holy Armenians,who have been struggling for discussing their treachery with Turks, deem what 'the bad part' they did during their rebellion in 1915 as a bullxxxx

[tirvana]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Wow! In the entire Balkan war the casualties didn't even add up to that. Poor "muslims". Get lost, as a matter of fact, the beastial sadism perpetrated by those "muslims" could only have been learned by your kind.

It is very natural that you dont want to see mass graves come on the scene even today in Srebrenitsa . But at the same time you can say that so called 1,5 million armenians got lost in deserts. Somehow this huge number of people could get lost in deserts and in rivers yes 1,5 million armenians. Maybe turks sent them into space, because we cant find them and their mass graves on the earth. or turks might have killed each of the armenians two times ,in this way we can reach this huge number

[ARK]

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But I thought that you holy Armenians were trying to have Turks accept quasi genocide.

We don't need your recognition but your destruction. and if not the destruction, at least we "ask" you to pack up and get back to Ulan batur.

[Armenian]

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ARF Shant Kickstarts Planning for Reunification of Western Armenia

Los Angeles, CA - On Sunday, December 3rd, about 150 college and high school students attended a Panel Discussion organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Shant Student Association (ARF Shant) at Hollywood's Karapetian Hall. The topic of the panel discussion was the re-integration and re-development of the occupied Western Armenian territories after they have been returned by Turkey as a condition of Armenian Genociden recognition. The experts who participated in the panel discussion were political scientist and historian Garabet Moumdjian, Ph.D., economist and professor Ara Khanjian, Ph.D., and professional civil engineer Aram Kaloustian P.E.

The panel discussion was moderated by Levon Baronian, founder of the Confederation of All-Armenian Student Associations (All-ASA) and administrator of the ExecNet Armenian Network of Student Clubs (ExecNet). Before introducing the panelists, Mr. Baronian relayed that the ARF Shant organized this event because it believes that the time has come to take Hay Dat to the next level and begin planning for what comes after the imminent recognition of the Armenian Genocide. The panelists presented interesting facts about Western Armenia and discussed a broad range of issues pertaining to the challenges faced in repopulating and revitalizing the region.

Dr. Garabet Moumdjian presented a historical overview of the legitimate claims that Armenians have over the occupied regions and offered insight into the geopolitical questions of reunification. Dr. Ara Khanjian provided vital statistics on the region and offered analysis on its current economic and demographic realities, particularly as they relate to the remainder of Turkey and the Republic of Armenia. Mr. Aram Kaloustian spoke on a variety of infrastructural issues that must be considered, such as rapid construction of housing, securing sources of water and energy, and repairing transportation routes.

The audience submitted dozens of written questions during the discussion, after which the panelists read and answered as many of the questions as possible within the time allotted. On behalf of the ARF Shant, Mr. Baronian concluded the panel discussion by thanking the panelists and audience for making the revolutionary and ground-breaking event a great success. The mission of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation "Shant" Student Association (ARF Shant) is to bring a higher level of political and cultural awareness to Armenian students within American Universities and institutions of higher learning. The ARF Shant's goal is to work side by side with the Armenian Student Associations and other Armenian Student organizations to further the Armenian Cause.

Source:http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg171409.html

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

ուզումեմ ձեր ուշադրութիւնը գրավել հետեւյալ հեռուստատեսային ծրագրին: http://www.ars1910.org/arsjavakhkclip.htm

Եթէ Թիֆլիսի քաղաքականությունը ներկայիս հոսանքով շարունակվի Վրաստանի գոյությունը, իբր պետութիւն, կարջ է լինելու: Ես անձամբ գիդեմ որ որոշ ազգային մարմիններ լուրջ գործողութիւններ են կատարվում Ջավախքում:

[Lucin]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Կովկասի պատասխանը կարող է լինել Աբխազիայի եւ Հարավային Օսեթիայի ճանաչուը

ԱՄՆ- ի հետախոզուտեան տնօրէնՄայքըլ Մաքքանէլը վտանգավոր քայլ է համարել Ռուսաստանի կողմից Վրաստանի չճանաչւած հանրապետութիւնների անկախաթեան հավանական ճանաչում ը:
« Կովկասում իրադարձուտիւնների ապագայ զարգացումը հավանաբար սերտօրէն կապված կը լինի այն բանի հետ թէ ինչ կարող է տեղի ունենալ այդ տարաձաշրջանի սահմաններից դուրս» , ասել է Մաքքանել ը օրերս ելութ ունենալով սենատի կողմից կայացա ծ ունկնդրումների ժամանակ:

«Եթէ կօսովօն այս տարի անկախութիւն ձեռք բերի, որ ը հավանական է թւում, Ռուսաստանը նախազգուշացրել է որ ինքը կարող է դրան պատասխանել Վրաստանի անջատակողական տարածաշրջանների ճանաչմամբ, որ ը վսանգաւոր քայլ կը լինի», ասել է ԱՄՆ-ի Ազգային հէտախոզութեան ղեկավարը:

[Armenian]

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This is how I foresee the Turkish state falling apart eventually - from within. With Islam gaining popularity within mainstream Turkish society and Kurds gaining in strength its only a matter of time before the Republic of Turkey, as we know it, will cease to exist. Are we Armenians ready to exploit the situation when it occurs?

Turkey keen to attack Kurds in Iraq as Kurdish militant kills 8



Turkish foreign minister Monday defended his country's right to move into neighboring Iraq to destroy separatist bases there as eight soldiers died in the latest suicide bombing involving ethnic Kurds.

The suicide attack, which occurred at a Turkish checkpoint, killing at least eight soldiers and leaving six wounded, is the latest in a series of terrorist attacks allegedly carried out by Kurdish militants. "We respect Iraq's territorial integrity but we cannot tolerate terrorist activities near our borders and on our territory," Abdullah Gul told an Ankara news conference after a meeting with EU officials. The EU apparently has given tacit support for Turkey's plans for a large military operation in the Kurdish-populated northern part of Iraq against armed members of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

Speaking after their meeting with Gul, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German foreign minister, and Olli Rehn, the EU enlargement commissioner, neither condemned nor openly supported the plan. Renh said, however, that the EU was definitely on Turkey's side where counterterrorism was concerned. The Turkish military have said up to 3,500 PKK gunmen based in Iraq were poised to commit terrorist attacks in Turkey, which encouraged the government to draft a petition to the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, asking him to exert pressure on Baghdad over the PKK's presence in Iraqi Kurdistan.

The Turkish TV network NTV said the petition to be sent Monday would substantiate Ankara's claim that a military operation would be legal, citing Article 51 of the UN Charter on the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense by members. Last week Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed to decide whether an operation would take place as soon as the military provided sufficient intelligence. "The ultimate decision on an operation is political. We will give consideration to whatever the military ask us to," he told Turkish media.

Amid the Turkish military buildup near the Iraqi border in past weeks, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Massoud Barzani, head of the Kurdish administration in northern Iraq, said Sunday the Turks had bombed Iraqi territory in one of several pinpoint raids against PKK gunmen, a claim neither confirmed nor rejected by the Turkish General Staff. Over 40,000 people have been killed in Turkey since 1984 when PKK started its fight for an ethnic Kurdish state in the southeast of the country. Its charismatic leader Abdullah Ocalan has been imprisoned since 1999 on charges of terrorism narrowly escaping the death penalty because the EU, whose membership Turkey is seeking, has long lobbied against capital punishment.

Since the 2003 U.S.-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein, Turkish separatist Kurds have received increasing, if unacknowledged, support from those living in the three neighboring provinces of oil-rich northern Iraq, whose population has sought autonomy from Baghdad and where local Peshmerga militia formally took over security functions from U.S. forces earlier this month. Ethnic Kurds have also been actively driving for autonomy in eastern parts of Syria. The borders between the three countries are still unsecured.

Source: http://en.rian.ru/world/20070604/66654908.html

US again warns Turkey against move into northern Iraq

Washington has repeatedly said it does not believe a cross border operation into northern Iraq will resolve the issue of PKK bases in the region.

The US has again warned Turkey not to send troops into northern Iraq to strike at bases operated by the terrorist group the PKK. The latest warning came on Sunday, with US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates saying Washington hoped Turkey would not take unilateral military action across the border into Iraq. Speaking in Singapore, where he was attending meetings with senior Asian officials, Gates said he understood and sympathised with Ankara over the attacks being staged by the PKK based in northern Iraq.

“The Turks have a genuine concern with Kurdish terrorism that takes place on Turkish soil,” Gates said. “So one can understand their frustration and unhappiness over this. Several hundred Turks lose their lives each year, and we have been working with the Turks to try to help them get control of this problem on Turkish soil.” The US has said it prefers Turkey to work with Iraq to try and combat the threat posed by the PKK in the region.

Source: http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/409962.asp

Gates warns Turkey not to invade Iraq

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Sunday cautioned Turkey against sending troops into northern Iraq, as it has threatened, to hunt down Kurdish rebels it accuses of carrying out terrorist raids inside Turkey.

"We hope there would not be a unilateral military action across the border into Iraq," Gates told a news conference after meetings here with Asian government officials. Turkey and Iraq were not represented. Gates said he sympathized with the Turks' concern about cross-border raids by Kurdish rebels. "The Turks have a genuine concern with Kurdish terrorism that takes place on Turkish soil," he said. "So one can understand their frustration and unhappiness over this. Several hundred Turks lose their lives each year, and we have been working with the Turks to try to help them get control of this problem on Turkish soil."

Tensions have heightened in recent weeks in northern Iraq as Turkey has built up its military forces on Iraq's border, a move clearly meant to pressure Iraq to rein in the rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, separatists who launch raids into southeast Turkey's Kurdish region from hideouts in Iraq. Turkey's political and military leaders have been debating whether to try to root out those bases, and perhaps set up a buffer zone across the frontier as the Turkish army has done in the past. Turkey's military chief said Thursday the army was ready and only awaiting orders for a cross-border offensive.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Saturday urged Turkey not to stage a new incursion, saying his government will not allow the relatively peaceful area of northern Iraq to be turned into a battleground. Turks accuse Iraqi Kurds, who once fought alongside the Turkish soldiers against the PKK in Iraq, of supporting the separatist rebels and worry that the war in Iraq could lead to the country's disintegration and the creation of a Kurdish state in the north. At the Singapore news conference Gates was asked about a reported U.S. naval bombardment on Friday of terrorist targets in northern Somalia.

"That's possibly an ongoing operation," he said, adding that as a result he would not comment on it. Gates was in Singapore to attend an international security conference known as the Shangri-la Dialogue, where he reassured Asian nations that the United States remains committed to being a Pacific power and is not distracted by the Iraq war. He said he did not ask any Asian government representatives to make new commitments to help in Iraq, but he did discuss with them at length the prospect of providing more assistance in Afghanistan. He said some countries, which he did not name, told him they were open to considering new commitments in Afghanistan.

Source: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2...ent_886004.htm