Re: Liberation of Western Armenia
This thread is really funny to read...I can really taste the anger aiganst ''the big bad evil turk'' from here! I can almost touch it, its so real!
But now, lets get to the point...
I am a Turk from Holland and i have Armenian friends here. We do a lot of things together with eachother like watching movies, playing poker, playing soccer etcetera. We spent a lot of time together, Turks and Armenians.We are friends and enjoy the good things in life. We are a living example that Turks and Armenians can get along. I just saw this forum and the bashing on Turks here is just so funny. All of the people doing so have probably not even met a Turkish person in real life.They just think we are pure evil.
U know how we do that?Being friends? We do not dig in the past but live here and now, and with our minds set to the future. We do not support or like what has happened in the past but we can let it go and embrace eachother as human beings. I was not living in 1915, nor where my armenian friends. Why should we hate eachother? I even see that we are very similar to eachother.
My point here is, stop living in the past and in WOI, start living here and now in peace! Turks will always say we did not commit genocide, and Armenians will always say u did. So whats the point in going on?
And off course u want to know my opinion about the things that happened in 1915? I can give u that and i can be short about it. The Ottomans at that time made a stupid move by ordering all armenians to leave the empire, but i dont think it can be labeled as genocide because they did not want to wipe out the Armenian race like Hitler wanted to do with the xxxs in WOII. In a pure and theoretical way, therefore u cannot label it as genocide. But there was more going on at that time..The Armenians collaborated with the Russians and stabbed the Ottomans in the back at a large scale.There where a lot of Armenian gangs that caused mayhem. They slaughtered whole Turkish villages and killed women and children. The turkish people therefore started to hate the Armenians as a people and as traitors to the empire and fear ruled them. The ottoman central regime was fighting war all over the place, in the east against the greek,french,brittish,australians, etc. Can u imagine how hard that is?? Just try... And therefore they ordered the Armenian people to get the hell out, just simply put.This was actually for their own protection because otherwise villagers would have lynched them all. While they where marching to the east and passed large cities the angry people lynched them and the few soldiers could not prevent that. There should have been more soldiers to protect them, i admit and more food/water. The ottomans had no food for their own soldiers at that time,let alone for the Armenians. And they needed the troops badly to save the motherland against the invadors. So the journey must have been rough.I wish they had made another dicision but eventually every people and race wants their own freedom and own borders. Dont blame u guys, but also dont blame us Turks for risking a shot at a mighty empire. The thing is, every empire will fall and with supressing people u will get nowhere.Everyone diserves their freedom. Thats what i think.
I like Armenians, Like Greeks etc but if they hate me then too bad for them. I will always reach my hand out at first.
Hope u can understand how a Turk things and place urself in my shoes. At the end of the day we are also just little human beings.
This thread is really funny to read...I can really taste the anger aiganst ''the big bad evil turk'' from here! I can almost touch it, its so real!
But now, lets get to the point...
I am a Turk from Holland and i have Armenian friends here. We do a lot of things together with eachother like watching movies, playing poker, playing soccer etcetera. We spent a lot of time together, Turks and Armenians.We are friends and enjoy the good things in life. We are a living example that Turks and Armenians can get along. I just saw this forum and the bashing on Turks here is just so funny. All of the people doing so have probably not even met a Turkish person in real life.They just think we are pure evil.
U know how we do that?Being friends? We do not dig in the past but live here and now, and with our minds set to the future. We do not support or like what has happened in the past but we can let it go and embrace eachother as human beings. I was not living in 1915, nor where my armenian friends. Why should we hate eachother? I even see that we are very similar to eachother.
My point here is, stop living in the past and in WOI, start living here and now in peace! Turks will always say we did not commit genocide, and Armenians will always say u did. So whats the point in going on?
And off course u want to know my opinion about the things that happened in 1915? I can give u that and i can be short about it. The Ottomans at that time made a stupid move by ordering all armenians to leave the empire, but i dont think it can be labeled as genocide because they did not want to wipe out the Armenian race like Hitler wanted to do with the xxxs in WOII. In a pure and theoretical way, therefore u cannot label it as genocide. But there was more going on at that time..The Armenians collaborated with the Russians and stabbed the Ottomans in the back at a large scale.There where a lot of Armenian gangs that caused mayhem. They slaughtered whole Turkish villages and killed women and children. The turkish people therefore started to hate the Armenians as a people and as traitors to the empire and fear ruled them. The ottoman central regime was fighting war all over the place, in the east against the greek,french,brittish,australians, etc. Can u imagine how hard that is?? Just try... And therefore they ordered the Armenian people to get the hell out, just simply put.This was actually for their own protection because otherwise villagers would have lynched them all. While they where marching to the east and passed large cities the angry people lynched them and the few soldiers could not prevent that. There should have been more soldiers to protect them, i admit and more food/water. The ottomans had no food for their own soldiers at that time,let alone for the Armenians. And they needed the troops badly to save the motherland against the invadors. So the journey must have been rough.I wish they had made another dicision but eventually every people and race wants their own freedom and own borders. Dont blame u guys, but also dont blame us Turks for risking a shot at a mighty empire. The thing is, every empire will fall and with supressing people u will get nowhere.Everyone diserves their freedom. Thats what i think.
I like Armenians, Like Greeks etc but if they hate me then too bad for them. I will always reach my hand out at first.
Hope u can understand how a Turk things and place urself in my shoes. At the end of the day we are also just little human beings.
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