Liberation of Western Armenia

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I don't even think we're on the same page anymore.

Anyways I'm going to be away for a few weeks (I will be making a stop in Armenia and Karabakh).... so no time to respond now.

[sirius1234]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Armsurvival

Enjoy your trip, see you.

[sirius1234]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Karo

and about the claime that Armenians livedthere from 6CBC is also wrong you are frogeting about the Uratu kingdom and the other tribes that lived there.

I didn't claim this, I only repeated what ArmSurvival stated. By the way, Urartu was not Modern Armenia, it was located on the indigenous lands of Kurdish people, and Urartaean language was not related to Armenian, nor to Indo-European languages... the name of Urartu itself is of Arabic-Semitic (Assyrian-Akkadian) root, not Armenian. Also, modern Armenian alphabet has nothing to do with Urartean writing system, which was derivated from Sumerian-Assyrian cuneiform scripts, Sumerians are Southern Iraqi people, who created the first Human civilisation in the Northern part of the Arabian peninsula.

Moreover, Arabic-Semitic tribes controlled the lands of Urartu for centuries before this Kingdom ever existed.

And the turks are not decendets of the hittites but are a ural-mongolic tribe

Yes, and Uralic speaking people of Finland are Mongoloid people too, although they are mostly blue-green eyed and light haired, which is a typical European and Mediterranean trait, not Asian???

Armenians are European speaking people,while Anatolia and Modern Armenia are located on the continent of Asia, not Europe, just like the Central Asian tribes you are reffering to, so who are the invaders?

Sirius1234 do you really think that Turkey could occupaie Armenia
Even the US said would have trouble to win a war in Armenia so do you really think that the Turkish Army is stronger than the US army.

Besides the US Army needs to unite to 47 foreign countries to defeat a single and tiny Arab nation, the USA is already 301 millions, yet it seeks for the help of dozens of foreign contingents to war with an Arab state of less than 30 millions of people

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

This thread has turned into a debate between dumb and dumber.

I have written enough about the Urartian-Armenian connection in the past, I'm not going to waste my time again on it. Nevertheless, the ancient Urartians (Araratians) were Armenians in every sense of the word and Armenians were Urartians in every sense of the word. What's more, Armenians are not European, Armenians are Anatolians and Caucasians in every sense of the word. This matter is not in debate anymore, the Armenian nation is, in essence, a mix of various Indo-European and Caucasian natives of the Armenian Highlands. This aforementioned "mix" is what we Armenians are culturally and genetically. This mix is called Armenian and Armenia. Prior to this mix all the major tribes of the region were proto-Armenians at best. And our Armenian homeland has always been and will someday again consist of Nakhijevan, Javakhq, western Armenia as well as all the territories under Armenian control today.

Thanks to some idiots in our community western derived BS concerning Armenian origins is still being used in discussion as if its still a matter of debate. Thanks to some idiots in our community turks still feel free to come in here and spew their fairy-tales.

Let's get back on topic, Western Armenia.

[melikianAvak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

This thread has turned into a debate between dumb and dumber.

I have written enough about the Urartian-Armenian connection in the past, I'm not going to waste my time again on it. Nevertheless, the ancient Urartians (Araratians) were Armenians in every sense of the word and Armenians were Urartians in every sense of the word. What's more, Armenians are not European, Armenians are Anatolians and Caucasians in every sense of the word. This matter is not in debate anymore, the Armenian nation is, in essence, a mix of various Indo-European and Caucasian natives of the Armenian Highlands. This aforementioned "mix" is what we Armenians are culturally and genetically. This mix is called Armenian and Armenia. Prior to this mix all the major tribes of the region were proto-Armenians at best. And our Armenian homeland has always been and will someday again consist of Nakhijevan, Javakhq, western Armenia as well as all the territories under Armenian control today.
Thanks to some idiots in our community western derived BS concerning Armenian origins is still being used in discussion as if its still a matter of debate. Thanks to some idiots in our community turks still feel free to come in here and spew their fairy-tales.

Let's get back on topic, Western Armenia.

Yegbayr Armenian

Very well said.

It is past time that we cease trying to educate people who are just never going to get it. They are going to give us history, ethnic makeup and tradition that simply are not true.

Let’s get back to Western Armenia and screw the rest of the BS coming from the jerks. We are not interested in Muslim, Turk, xxx or Arab stuff on an Armenian website that's subject is Western Armenia. It's time for them to go to a Turkish site and lie to each other. Another words I am tired of their xxxx

God Bless Hayk and the Hayk

Avak

[sirius1234]

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Yegbayr Armenian

Very well said.

It is past time that we cease trying to educate people who are just never going to get it. They are going to give us history, ethnic makeup and tradition that simply are not true.

Let’s get back to Western Armenia and screw the rest of the BS coming from the jerks. We are not interested in Muslim, Turk, xxx or Arab stuff on an Armenian website that's subject is Western Armenia. It's time for them to go to a Turkish site and lie to each other. Another words I am tired of their xxxx

God Bless Hayk and the Hayk

Avak

It seems like many people here are though...

All over this website, and especially on this subject, Muslims and Turks are constantly cited and the debates Armenians engage in, are about them. "Western Armenia" being a part of the Islamic Kurdish homeland, and located in Turkey, you cannot expect anyone to talk about Armenia exclusively.

[sirius1234]

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Armenian

You did not understand the discussion apparently, noone said the people of Urartu were not the forfathers of today Armenians, the point was Armenians are not more related to them than the Turks are to their Hittite, Phrygian, and Lidyan ancestors. They had a different language (which was not European as Armenian language is), they had a different writing system (they did not use alphabet, but Iraqi cuneiform scripts), they was not today Republic of Armenia (their lands were mostly in today Kurdistan), and the name of their country was of not of Armenian origin, but of Arabic-Semitic root.

Armenians are not Europeans indeed, they are Asians, but it isn't the point, today they speak an European language, while "Western Armenia" and Armenia are Asia. Some people here have stated that language was a criteria of indigenousness, denying the Turks their right to live in Asia Minor on the pretext their tongue is Altaic, not Anatolian. Well the same can be told for Armenians, and Turks speak an Asian language unlike them, they speak a language of the continent they inhabit.

Finally, it was proven "Western Armenia" was a part of the Semitic-Iraqi empires long before the concept of Armenia ever existed. This area does not belong to Armenians in exclusivity, just like the Sea of China doesn't belong to China, "Western Armenia" belongs to all of its indigenous people, and it includes Turks and Kurds.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

the Turks are to their Hittite, Phrygian, and Lidyan ancestors

That's not true that's Turkish propoganda the hittite and all those others wh lived in Anatolia died thousands of a years ago, When the mongol turks Invidaded they masacered the people living there most of them were greeks and romans(east-roman empire) by then but they were all massicared when the cities wre caputered

they was not today Republic of Armenia (their lands were mostly in today Kurdistan),

that's not true ether the city of yerevan is build on a old uratian fortres named erebuni

denying the Turks their right to live in Asia Minor on the pretext their tongue is Altaic, not Anatolian

that's not the reason we don't want you there it is bacause your mongolian invadors and need to get the hell out of our lands and western Armenia belongs to Armenia, look at te cities of Van, Ani, Kars kurds and turks never have could builded those citeis and many others. Turks have never builded a city in all of their history they have conquered and destroyed but never build. And we will take back our lands one way or on other Azat Hayasdan, mer hoger@ mijanjn mernen michev ashxari verch@

Karo

[sirius1234]

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Karo

That's not true that's Turkish propoganda

Are Norway, the USA, and Greece, parts of the republic of Turkey, huh? Reread the texts I posted about Anatolian Turks being descendents of the Ancient Anatolians who lived there for millenia. The Central Asian element is minor in their DNA, at least not more than the allien genes (Turkish, Russian, Arab, etc) present among Armenians.

the hittite and all those others wh lived in Anatolia died thousands of a years ago

How did they die, do you have a link? You wish.

When the mongol turks Invidaded they masacered the people living there most of them were greeks and romans(east-roman empire) by then but they were all massicared when the cities wre caputered

Really? Do you have a credible source for this? No real historian would ever agree with such lies, why do you rewrite history? LMAO

And by the way, what were the Roman and Greek invaders doing in Anatolia? Are they those who killed the Hittite and their indigenous Anatolian counterparts? LOL

Listen, Greeks have invaded Lydian Anatolia, and Roman invaders originated from the Italian péninsula, so it is ok for them to steal and massacre Anatolians, and not for the Turks to massacre those invaders? You owned yourself.

P.S: The Eastern Roman Empire, aka Byzantin Empire, was ruled by the Greeks as well, not by Italian Romans.

that's not true ether the city of yerevan is build on a old uratian fortres named erebuni

Reread what I wrote, this political entity was a kingdom, not the Republic of Armenia, and although it included Modern Armenia, most of its lands were located in the Islamic Kurdish homeland, in Turkey and Iran. Here is a clear map from an Armenian website:

that's not the reason we don't want you there it is bacause your mongolian invadors

Armenians are European speaking people, go back to Europe, Asia Minor is for Asians. And don't ever think you can tell Turks what to do, they control the lands, you don't...

and need to get the hell out of our lands and western Armenia belongs to Armenia, look at te cities of Van, Ani, Kars kurds and turks never have could builded those citeis and many others. Turks have never builded a city in all of their history they have conquered and destroyed but never build. And we will take back our lands one way or on other Azat Hayasdan, mer hoger@ mijanjn mernen michev ashxari verch@

Still your usual propaganda, how wonderful to read so much lies.

Noone's going to get out of those Islamic lands, and whether you like it or not, "Western Armenia" will remain Kurdish, you're too poor and too weak to be able to capture any sq km of land...

So many people are jealous because their country is poor and under-developped, because they have no real armed forces and were under foreign dominations for millenia with almost no interruptions. It must suck to be so frustrated and envious, suffering from a massive inferiority complex.


Deal with this map:

[Lucin]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

What absurd jokes...
The thread is about the Liberation of Western Armenia and not a Turkic "history" lesson to Armenians about Armenians' origins, language or where Armenia is located.
Armos, every time you are responding, he gets a chance to spew his irrelevant Turkish kaka in here.