Liberation of Western Armenia

[MYND]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

This thread is really funny to read...I can really taste the anger aiganst ''the big bad evil turk'' from here! I can almost touch it, its so real!

But now, lets get to the point...
I am a Turk from Holland and i have Armenian friends here. We do a lot of things together with eachother like watching movies, playing poker, playing soccer etcetera. We spent a lot of time together, Turks and Armenians.We are friends and enjoy the good things in life. We are a living example that Turks and Armenians can get along. I just saw this forum and the bashing on Turks here is just so funny. All of the people doing so have probably not even met a Turkish person in real life.They just think we are pure evil.

U know how we do that?Being friends? We do not dig in the past but live here and now, and with our minds set to the future. We do not support or like what has happened in the past but we can let it go and embrace eachother as human beings. I was not living in 1915, nor where my armenian friends. Why should we hate eachother? I even see that we are very similar to eachother.

My point here is, stop living in the past and in WOI, start living here and now in peace! Turks will always say we did not commit genocide, and Armenians will always say u did. So whats the point in going on?

And off course u want to know my opinion about the things that happened in 1915? I can give u that and i can be short about it. The Ottomans at that time made a stupid move by ordering all armenians to leave the empire, but i dont think it can be labeled as genocide because they did not want to wipe out the Armenian race like Hitler wanted to do with the xxxs in WOII. In a pure and theoretical way, therefore u cannot label it as genocide. But there was more going on at that time..The Armenians collaborated with the Russians and stabbed the Ottomans in the back at a large scale.There where a lot of Armenian gangs that caused mayhem. They slaughtered whole Turkish villages and killed women and children. The turkish people therefore started to hate the Armenians as a people and as traitors to the empire and fear ruled them. The ottoman central regime was fighting war all over the place, in the east against the greek,french,brittish,australians, etc. Can u imagine how hard that is?? Just try... And therefore they ordered the Armenian people to get the hell out, just simply put.This was actually for their own protection because otherwise villagers would have lynched them all. While they where marching to the east and passed large cities the angry people lynched them and the few soldiers could not prevent that. There should have been more soldiers to protect them, i admit and more food/water. The ottomans had no food for their own soldiers at that time,let alone for the Armenians. And they needed the troops badly to save the motherland against the invadors. So the journey must have been rough.I wish they had made another dicision but eventually every people and race wants their own freedom and own borders. Dont blame u guys, but also dont blame us Turks for risking a shot at a mighty empire. The thing is, every empire will fall and with supressing people u will get nowhere.Everyone diserves their freedom. Thats what i think.

I like Armenians, Like Greeks etc but if they hate me then too bad for them. I will always reach my hand out at first.

Hope u can understand how a Turk things and place urself in my shoes. At the end of the day we are also just little human beings.

[Azad]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I even see that we are very similar to eachother.

Probably the reason you did because of your Armenian Grandmother was a rape victim of the turkic culture. And I say culture, sine today your are not a turk only the “Parasite” that is being carried Westwards to infect the rest of civility by the original turkic behavior. An Armenian that is in Holland today is there because of your grand parents Genocidal actions. That Armenian was content to be in Anatolia for a millennia ... in your case what are you doing in Holland? If you so dearly wanted Anatolia to be a turkic paradise at least you could have done something out of it, instead of your westwards destruction. I would be a shame to still call myself a turk in my next infective host called “Holland”.
Start calling yourself a Dutch for a change. What is it in that turkic “parasite” after traveling half way across the globe absorbing all kind of people it still identifies itself with the original behavioral “virus”?
I want you to stand in front of a mirror and say to yourself 20 times... "I am the product of a cultural rape". That might help you wake up. Maybe not.

[MYND]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Yeah parasite my assss
U see? If a nice approach does not work then its your losss
TURKIYE
TURKIYE
TURKIYE

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

TURKIYE
TURKIYE
TURKIYE

How Turkish of you

Why don't you now go and behead your Turkified Armenian friends...

You are typical of your barbaric kind. Talking to garbage like you is a waste of time.

For more comments about Turkish-Armenian relations please see the following thread: http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=4648

[Illuminator]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE Hope u can understand how a Turk things and place urself in my shoes. At the end of the day we are also just little human beings.

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Bishop Fabri of Vienna (1536–41)
"There are no crueller and more audacious villains under the heavens than the Turks who spare no age or sex and mercilessly cut down young and old alike and pluck unripe fruit from the wombs of mothers".

"Those who assist turkey...I say that they should be marked forever as a shame, a horror and a disgrace to mankind."
Signor Garrini,
Italian Consul-General
August 25, 1915

Voltaire

Voltaire refering to the brutal 500 year Ottoman occupation of Greece.

"I wish fervently that the Turkish barbarians be chased away immediately out of the country of Xenophon, Socrates, Plato, Sophocles and Euripides. If we wanted, it could be done soon but seven crusades of superstition have been undertaken and a crusade of honour will never take place. We know almost no city built by them; they let decay the most beautiful establishments of Antiquity, they reign over ruins."

"Grass Never Grows Where the Turkish Hoof Has Trod"

The National Geographics Magazine - November 1912


"The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his
consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence.

The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because not one of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk--the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all.

In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."

William W. Howard
1896
An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery

"The Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity."

From a speech by the British Prime Minister, D. Lloyd George, 10 November 1914, cited in H.W.V. Temperley (ed.), A History of the Peace Conference of Paris, Oxford 1969, VI, 24.

"What have the Turks ever contributed to culture, to art, or to any aspect of human progress that you can think of? They are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life. They have ruled over most of the countries which are the cradle of civilisation; these lands were once the most fruitful and the most abundant of the world; they were the granaries of the East and of the West alike. In turn, they have been governed by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans-- all tyrants; but they left these countries prosperous and luxuriant. What about the Turk? He comes to these plenteous lands, and the thread of his blood-stained sandal scorches and withers life and fertility in whole territories. Every grain in thousands of square miles is shrivelled up. The sight of this Gorgon has turned bounteous plains and fields into stony deserts. The people he has subjected to his rule have for centuries been the victims of his indolence, incompetence, and lust, and now-- now that the great day of reckoning has come upon the nations-- I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity.

David Lloyd George - "Through Terror to Triumph" (1915)

Yes, they will indeed be called to a final account!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Illuminator nice qutos. I hope that they will learn what the world really think about them

[Selpak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Illuminator nice qutos. I hope that they will learn what the world really think about them

You will learn soon what we Turks really are.

Btw, Turks well know who David Llyod Geroge is. However he was one of the famous Turkish foe, he honours Atatürk many times. Illuminator can you find them?? "türkler hakkında söylenen sözler" (quotes about turks) http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=t...Ara&meta=lr%3D Thank you Karot and illu. I haven't know that others says so good words about Turks. Their words honours me.

I guess there should be more good quotes about Roms than Armenians. Am I wrong?

[Anoush]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Illuminator nice qutos. I hope that they will learn what the world really think about them

And this is what some famous people think of the Armenians:

"If the scriptures are rightly understood it was in Armenia that paradise was placed.... But whatever may have been their destiny and it has been bitter whatever it may be in future, their country must ever be one of the most interesting on the globe.... And perhaps their language only requires to be more studied to become more attractive. Armenian is the language to speak with God." Lord Byron


"In my district, there is a significant population of Armenian survivors and their families that showed heroic courage and a will to survive." Jerry Costello


"If Turkey is prepared to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, then its leaders can proceed immediately to direct dialogue with its counterparts in Armenia to define a common vision for the future." Mark Foley


"Moreover, as the leadership of the House confirmed last year, the Administration remains opposed to a congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide due to Turkish objections. This approach sends absolutely the wrong signal to Turkey and to the rest of the world." Patrick J. Kennedy

[Azad]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

haven't know that others says so good words about Turks.

I agree with you. It is a first for me too.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

do you know William Saroyan here's a good quote of his

I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race; this small tribe of unimportant people whose history is ended, whose wars have all been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose music is unheard, whose prayers are no longer uttered. Go ahead, destroy this race. Let us say that it is again 1915 there is war in the world. Destroy Armenia.
See if you can do it. Send them from their homes into the desert. Let them have neither bread nor water. Burn their houses and their churches. See if they will not live again. See if they will not laugh again. See if you can stop them from mocking the big ideas of the world.You sons of b.i.t.ches. Go ahead, try to destroy them.
The Armenian and the Armenian