Liberation of Western Armenia

[melikianAvak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

What absurd jokes...
The thread is about the Liberation of Western Armenia and not a Turkic "history" lesson to Armenians about Armenians' origins, language or where Armenia is located.
Armos, every time you are responding, he gets a chance to spew his irrelevant Turkish kaka in here.

Your right he is an idiot, lets ignore him and his crap, he is a degenerate who knows little true history. I would like to have said F him, Kemal, and turkey but I won't.

Respectfully

[sirius1234]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Your right he is an idiot, lets ignore him and his crap, he is a degenerate who knows little true history. I would like to have said F him, Kemal, and turkey but I won't.

Respectfully

Why are you being so mean? It is such a great sign of Armenian civilisation.

Keep denying history, if it makes you feel better.

[sirius1234]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Why are you posting a picture of this GAY HOMOSEXUAL in this thread? do you know that the father of the Turks enjoyed large Penises up his anus? are you proud of that? you should be ashamed.

Are you homophobic? More Armenian advances in civilisation

[melikianAvak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Please ban this turk.

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Please ban this turk.

that is unlikely to happen. at this forum, anti-armenian posts seem to be allowed. for some unknown reason, they only ban you if make anti-hrya posts or comments. hmm....

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

hi "Kate",

you asked for proof that Ataturk was gay; I guess the mods deleted your post or something cuz its gone. Any how, here's the proof:

Founder Of Modern Turkey, Ataturk, Was Homosexual, Book Published By Ministry Of Education Of Belgian State Of Valon Mentions

* From: [email protected]
* Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:17:14 +0500 (AMST)

FOUNDER OF MODERN TURKEY, ATATURK, WAS HOMOSEXUAL, BOOK PUBLISHED BY MINISTRY OF EDUCATION OF BELGIAN STATE OF VALON MENTIONS

Noyan Tapan
Armenians Today
Mar 28 2007

BRUSSELS, MARCH 28, NOYAN TAPAN - ARMENIANS TODAY. The Ministry of
Education of Belgian state of Valon published a book, in which the
founder of modern Republic of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal - Ataturk, is
numbered among the most important and the most prominent homosexuals
in the history.

With this step, in fact, the Belgian state joined the step of Greek
young people who placed similar information about Ataturk on the
www.youtube.com well-known web-site in early March.

According to the Zaman Turkish newspaper, the book under the title
"Fight Against Homophobia," which consists of 144 pages, was given
out to pupils of pre-school and secondary colleges of the state of
Valon. On book's page 105 Ataturk is numbered among the most famous
homosexuals in the world history.

According to the book, Alexander of Macedon, Leonardo da Vinci,
Goethe, as well as the Pope John Paul III were also homosexuals.

Marriage of homosexuals is permitted in Belgium.

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg183255.html

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ANKARA: Belgian Textbook Insults Turkey's Founder Ataturk

* From: "Katia M. Peltekian" <[email protected]>
* Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:56:15 +0500 (AMST)

BELGIAN TEXTBOOK INSULTS TURKEY'S FOUNDER ATATURK
Vedat DenÝzlÝ Brussels

Today's Zaman, Turkey
March 28 2007

Following the broadcast of videos with explicit content about Ataturk
by a Greek youth on the famous Internet site youtube.com, Belgium
has engaged in similar infamy by listing Ataturk among the important
homosexual and bisexual personalities of history.

A book by the minister of education of the province of Valon in Belgium
and distributed to all schools in the province claims that Ataturk was
one of history's important and famous homosexual or bisexual figures

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was included on a list of "Famous homosexuals
and bisexuals in history" on the 105th page of the 144-page book
titled, "Fight Against Homophobia." The small book, prepared at the
instructions of Valon Education Minister Marie Arena and distributed
to all students in primary and secondary education, emphasizes that
homosexuality is not actually a negative thing and that there were
many famous and important homosexual or bisexual people in history.

Today's Zaman's efforts to reach Marie Arena proved fruitless. It
is unknown what source this information was based on, though it will
certainly spark harsh reactions in Turkey. A leading paper in Belgium,
De Standaard, covered the issue and in a related report wrote that
Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, was included on the list and
noted that it was yet unknown whether the Turkish Embassy in Belgium
was aware of the incident.

Belgium is one of the few countries in the world that grants its
citizens the right to same-sex marriages and child adoption by
homosexual couples. It is stated that the distribution of the book was
aimed at "enlightening the future of the young generation in Belgium"
and informing them correctly by giving information on the history
of homosexuality and the general sociocultural perception in regard
to homosexuality. The book also touches on the equality of women and
discusses the viewpoints of other societies regarding homosexuality,
with an aim to prevent the younger generation from harboring negative
opinions on homosexuality.

Among famous homosexuals in history, according to the book, are
Alexander the Great, Leonardo da Vinci, and Goethe. Other interesting
names on the list are some spiritual leaders of the Catholic world
such as Pope Benoit IX and Pope Jules III.

Turkey currently has some other problems with Belgium, such as allowing
the escapte of Fehriye Erdal, the murderer of Ozdemir Sabancý,
brother of late famous businessman Sakýp Sabancý. Belgium is also
a country where members of the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party
(PKK) and the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C)
freely walk the streets. Belgium is also trying to punish the denial
of the so-called Armenian genocide.

Meanwhile a Belgian court found a security company guilty of
discrimination after it refused to employ Turkish national Murat
Calýþkan on the basis of his being a foreigner. The court accused the
company of "apparent racism" and ruled that it should pay compensation
to Calýþkan. He said he would use the compensation money in the fight
against racism and donate it to immigration centers.

--Boundary_(ID_U4fxjLm2hIYT7/QDWPJ2TA)--

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg183303.html

[sirius1234]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I never denied anything, and I didn't ask for any proofs. I wanted to know if you were homophobic, apparently you are.

A Belgian media said he was gay then it means he was? LMAO

Typical ignorant, you follow all what you read on the net!

You're jealous because Ataturk is cuter than your president!

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

why don't you clear out your eyes and stop assuming things. As you can clearly see with your blind eyes, my response was addressed to the member "Kate."

as for who's homophonic, I think that the current turkish government is certainly homophobic because they referred to Belgium's publication of the fact that ataturk was gay as "insulting turkishness".

p.s. i think robert kocharyan and ataturk would make a great couple

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Recent events concerning Turkey and Kurdistan reveal just how fluid and unpredictable politics can be, especially for this region. It will simply take a similar event one day to trigger the commencement of the unraveling of the Turkish state. Nevertheless, isn't it amazing how we Armenians, a tiny little minority, in the United States can cause such an international stir? Turks essentially got a bit-ch slap from us and in their seething anger they are about to begin throwing punches in Kurdistan.

Armenian

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Turkey plans incursion, PKK says ready to attack



Kurdish separatist rebels said on Friday they were crossing back into Turkey to target politicians and police after Ankara said it was preparing to attack them in the mountains of northern Iraq. As regional tensions rose, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan cautioned that relations between Ankara and Washington were in danger over a U.S. congressional resolution branding as genocide massacres of Armenians by Ottoman Turks in 1915.

Washington harbors growing concerns about the possibility of a major Turkish military incursion to crush Kurdish rebels seeking a homeland in eastern Turkey. U.S. officials fear such an action could destabilize a relatively peaceful area of Iraq. Ankara recalled its ambassador from the United States for consultations after the U.S. vote, which was strongly condemned in predominantly Muslim but secular Turkey.

"We don't need anyone's advice on northern Iraq and the operation to be carried out there," Erdogan told a cheering crowd in Istanbul, after saying that the United States "came tens of thousands of kilometers and attacked Iraq without asking anyone's permission."

Referring to relations with the United States and the Armenian resolution, Erdogan, using a Turkish idiom usually employed to describe relations, said: "Where the rope is worn thin, may it break off." He did not elaborate.

"All prospects look bad ... and relations with the U.S. have already gone down the drain," Semih Idiz, a veteran Turkish commentator, told Reuters.

"If Turkey sets its mind on something, whether wrong or right it will do it. The invasion of Cyprus in 1974 is a good example," he said, referring to a Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus which drew U.S. condemnation and sanctions.

A statement by the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) could increase domestic pressure on Ankara to launch a big offensive that Washington fears could have ramifications in the region. The United States relies heavily on Turkish bases to supply its war effort in Iraq. Erdogan said his government was ready for any world criticism if Turkey launched an attack against some 3,000 PKK rebels who use north Iraq as a base to attack Turkish targets. Ankara blames the PKK for the deaths of more than 30,000 people since the group launched its armed struggle for an ethnic homeland in southeast Turkey in 1984.

Some analysts say an offensive became more likely after the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee approved the bill on Wednesday. Relations with Washington have hitherto been a strong restraining force on Turkey. Turkey denies that genocide was committed but said many died in inter-ethnic fighting. It remains a sensitive issue, but many Turks are starting to more openly discuss such past taboos. The PKK statement moved world oil prices back above $83 a barrel, traders said. The Kirkuk oil fields of northern Iraq feed export pipelines running north into Turkey.

ERDOGAN FACES MOUNTING PRESSURE

After a sharp escalation of attacks by Kurdish militants on Turkish troops, Erdogan's government, which faces pressure from the public and the army to act, has decided to seek approval from parliament next week for a major operation. Erdogan said he wanted to secure approval now to avoid spending time later if and when an operation was warranted. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Erdogan on Thursday to express her disappointment at the U.S. Armenian bill, which the White House has tried to stop.

The non-binding Armenian resolution now goes to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, where Democrat leaders say there will be a vote next month. The resolution was proposed by a politician with many Armenian-Americans in his district. Turkey has cautioned that the bill would have negative consequences for bilateral ties. Potential moves could include blocking U.S. access to the Incirlik air base, cancelling army contracts, downscaling bilateral visits, denying air space to U.S. aircraft, and halting joint exercises.

Iraqi Defence Minister Abdul-Qadir Mohammed Jasim held talks with Turkey's ambassador to Baghdad on Friday to seek ways to improve bilateral ties in fighting terrorism. Erdogan said Turkey respected Iraq's unity but if it did nothing to stop the PKK, considered a terrorist organization group by Washington, Ankara and the EU, then Ankara had to act. Analysts and diplomats cast doubt on whether PKK rebels would leave their Iraqi hideouts for the southeast of Turkey where tens of thousands of heavily armed troops are positioned.

"The guerrillas are not moving to the south (northern Iraq); on the contrary they are moving to ... places in the north," the PKK said in a statement published on Firat news agency. The PKK said its fighters planned to carry out attacks against the ruling AK Party, the main opposition CHP and the police unless certain conditions were met. It did not elaborate.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/...key_iraq_dc_26

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Now let's sit back get some popcorn and watch them kill eachother that will be fun.