The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

[Haykakan]

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ZHIRINOVSKY'S OPINION ON NAGORNO-KARABAKH NOT REFLECTS KREMLIN'S POSITION: RUSSIAN MP

Today.Az
Sept 16 2009
Azerbaijan

Vladimir Zhirinovsky's opinion on Nagorno-Karabakh stated in an
interview with News Armenia in no way reflects Kremlin's position,
said Sergei Markov, member of the Russian Federal Assembly State Duma
of the fifth convention and member of the 'United Russia' faction.

"Vladimir Zhirinovsky is not a pro-government official, but a
representative of an opposition party. He does not express position
of Russian government and authorities, but only a small opposition
group, which received minimum seats in the Duma," Markov said.

"Zhirinovsky's opinion is shared by a tiny minority of Russia's
voters."

Deputy Chairman of the Russian State Duma, Leader of the Liberal
Democratic Party of Russia, Vladimir Zhirinovsky said in his interview
with News Armenia that the Nagorno-Karabakh is native Armenian land.

"And if we help to return them to Azerbaijan, it will again be a
confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan. To talk about federation
with them or that it will be broad autonomy - is the same question,
as with the Abkhazians and Ossetians," he said.

Zhirinovsky's position is known ever since as he sat in a Turkish
prison: he took a pro-Armenian, anti-Turkish and anti-Azerbaijani
position, said Markov.

"He does it with great advantage for him, given the strength of the
Armenian business-diaspora in Russia, the United States and France,
with which, I think, he cooperates," said Markov.

"I am not aware of any specific details, but knowing the general
context of the relations, I think that the pro-Armenian position
brings benefits to Vladimir Zhirinovsky and strongly works for him
and his party."

Markov said Zhirinovsky's position is absolutely not the position of
the Kremlin.

"Russia supports the position of the gradual rapprochement of the
parties and finding the maximum of compromise," he said.

[hipeter924]

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Well you have to keep in mind that Russia did indeed create Azerbaijan and that when the soviet union collapsed, the various politicians of the old regime and others took state owned industries for themselves. Many of the Russian oligarch's turn-coated on communism in favour of capitalism.

So the fact that many support Azerbaijan's position is of no surprise. Of course the main group keeping the 'talks' going is the European Union and Russia, who basically take the same position in that it has be resolved peacefully in an agreement that both sides can accept.

But in the end this is much like asking a hungry lion to give up its meal, and Azerbaijan some fit might strike Armenia again. In the end though its best to keep these talks going, because if Azerbaijan declared war on Armenia and invaded Armenia yet again it would be shown as the aggressor in a way the international community could not ignore and would further strengthen Armenia's diplomatic position.

Right now both governments in the EU and Russia turn a blind eye to Azeri crimes for monetary gain or influence, when Azeri is of no further use in a hundred years or less then it is likely they will choose Armenia over Azerbajan but can never tell as politics is a nasty business.

[Federate]

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Turkey to recognize Abkhazia’s independence: Milliyet


Ankara will recognize independence of Abkhazia in the near future, while Moscow will recognize Turkish part of Cyprus, the article by Turkish journalist Cenk Baslamis published in Milliyet daily reads.

According to him, incredible at first sight, this forecast is as difficult to implement as the establishment of relations between Ankara and Yerevan.

After Russian-Georgian conflict, Russia, Nicaragua and Venezuela recognized independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

http://news.am/en/news/4842.html

[Haykakan]

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Turkey to recognize Abkhazia’s independence: Milliyet


Ankara will recognize independence of Abkhazia in the near future, while Moscow will recognize Turkish part of Cyprus, the article by Turkish journalist Cenk Baslamis published in Milliyet daily reads.

According to him, incredible at first sight, this forecast is as difficult to implement as the establishment of relations between Ankara and Yerevan.

After Russian-Georgian conflict, Russia, Nicaragua and Venezuela recognized independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

http://news.am/en/news/4842.html

If this statement is true then the Armenian-Turckish deal is a sure thing and Georgias days are numbered. This will be a huge advatage to Armenia because we will be the hub of the region and will probably have our borders extended into Georgia connecting us to our ally. This means north-south and east-west routes go through Armenia and our isolation is over.

[KanadaHye]

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Turkey to recognize Abkhazia’s independence: Milliyet

Ankara will recognize independence of Abkhazia in the near future, while Moscow will recognize Turkish part of Cyprus, the article by Turkish journalist Cenk Baslamis published in Milliyet daily reads.

According to him, incredible at first sight, this forecast is as difficult to implement as the establishment of relations between Ankara and Yerevan.

After Russian-Georgian conflict, Russia, Nicaragua and Venezuela recognized independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

http://news.am/en/news/4842.html

These news reports are getting more and more eerie. Cyprus's divisions are mediated by the U.K./U.N. Why would Russia's recognition matter?

[Haykakan]

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These news reports are getting more and more eerie. Cyprus's divisions are mediated by the U.K./U.N. Why would Russia's recognition matter?

Because turckey is getting tired of trying to fit in to europe and may be turning to Russia who is extending it a hand so long as turckey does the same in return.

[KanadaHye]

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Turkey connects the Eastern world to the Western world. If Turkey leans East, the West is going to have a hard time keeping Europe United. Now what would the EU do if Turkey decided to invade the Greek part of Cyprus again.

[Haykakan]

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Why would europe have a hard time staying united wo turckey? Turckey and its society do not fit in well with european society. On the contrary should the turcks decide not to persue eu membership, europe will get rid of a point of contemtion and will be more united not less.

[KanadaHye]

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Why would europe have a hard time staying united wo turckey? Turckey and its society do not fit in well with european society. On the contrary should the turcks decide not to persue eu membership, europe will get rid of a point of contemtion and will be more united not less.

There are probably lots of investors eyeing prime realestate in Turkey, aside from all of the political problems, the country has real potential for growth.
But, aside from the soccer fanatics, Europeans probably don't have much else in common. There are many liberal and european minded Turks but I think its the history and the governing bodies that wouldn't meet eye to eye. Russia teaming up with Turkey might mean Turkey paying less attention to Israel. Russia's stance toward Georgia in my eye was when the power shift started. Turkey pisses Israel off then we might get our Genocide recognition after all.

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Georgian attack began war with Russia: EU report

Georgia's opening attack on the breakaway South Ossetia region was unjustified and "marked the beginning" of last year's war with Russia, according to an EU-commissioned report.

The anticipated report, released Wednesday, said Georgian, Russian and South Ossetian forces all violated international humanitarian law, and suggested ethnic cleansing was practiced against Georgians in South Ossetia during the five-day war.

The report said the war began on Aug. 7, 2008, with Georgia's assault on the South Ossetian capital of Tshkinvali, following "long periods of increasing tensions, provocations and incidents" and said the risk of new confrontation "remains serious."

Goergia had said it launched its offensive to repel Russian forces that had invaded separatist regions in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Russia had said it sent troops only after Georgia had attacked.


But the report, written by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini said Georgia's attack was unjustified under international law.

Russia's military repelled Georgian forces in the brief war, taking battles deep into Georgian territory. Russia's occupation of Georgian territory and its subsequent recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia has drawn strong condemnation from the West.



Russia went too far in retalitation: report
The EU report said Russia went too far in its response to Georgia's attack.

"All this cannot be regarded as even remotely commensurate with the threat to Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia," the report said.

Russia's retaliation went "far beyond the reasonable limits of defence," it said, criticizing the devastating Russian assault on its smaller neighbour.

Goergia's EU ambassador, Salome Samadashvili, said the question of who fired first was irrelevant in the context of two decades of friction.

Russia's EU envoy, Vladimir Chizhov, said the report was not pro-Russian but provided "an unequivocal answer to the main question of who started the war."

The report also looked at claims of ethnic cleansing of Georgians in South Ossetia, but did not pinpoint who it believed was responsible.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...eu-report.html