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    Russia plans to hold military exercises in Arctic



    Slicing of Arctic cake to begin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHe3Keib0SQ

    A senior Russian general says Russia will conduct military exercises in the Arctic to uphold the country's claim to the region's vast natural resources. Gen. Vladimir Shamanov, in charge of military training at Russia's Defense Ministry, also said planning for the exercises began after several nations disputed Russia's Arctic claims. "Modern wars are won or lost long before they start," Shamanov told the military daily Krasnaya Zvezda in an interview published Tuesday. He noted that 5,000 U.S. troops were involved in the Northern Edge military exercise in Alaska last month. Canada and Denmark have also been involved in the race to claim the area's extensive oil and other resources. Russia last August sent two mini-submarines to plant a Russian flag on the seabed under the North Pole, staking its claim on an underwater mountain range that is believed to contain huge oil and gas reserves. A U.S. study suggests the area may contain as much as 25 percent of the world's undiscovered oil and gas. After the Russian expedition, Canada vowed to increase its icebreaker fleet and build two new military facilities in the Arctic. The U.S. government also sent an icebreaker for a research expedition. Russian officials say preliminary results on soil core samples gathered by the expedition show that the 1,240-mile Lomonosov Ridge under the Arctic is part of Russia's shelf. More geological tests are planned. Denmark has also sent scientists to seek evidence that the underwater ridge is attached to its territory of Greenland. The dispute over who controls what in the Arctic has become more heated with growing evidence that global warming is shrinking polar ice, opening up new shipping lanes and resource development possibilities. Yet in May, representatives from Denmark, Norway, Russia, Canada and the United States met in Ilulissat, 155 miles north of the Arctic Circle, to reaffirm their commitment to international Arctic treaties. Under the 1982 U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, Arctic nations have 10 years after ratification to prove their claims under the largely uncharted polar ice pack. All countries with claims to the Arctic have ratified the treaty, except for the United States. President Bush has been pushing the Senate to ratify the treaty.

    Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i081135D30.DTL

    Russia prepares for future combat in the Arctic



    Russia must be ready to fight wars in the Arctic to protect its national interests in a region that contains large and untapped deposits of natural resources, a high-ranking military official said in an interview published Tuesday. "After several countries contested Russia's rights for the resource-rich continental shelf in the Arctic, we have immediately started the revision of our combat training programs for military units that may be deployed in the Arctic in case of a potential conflict," Lt. Gen. Vladimir Shamanov, who heads the Defense Ministry's combat training directorate, told the Krasnaya Zvezda (Red Star) newspaper. Under the Law of the Sea, coastal states can declare an Exclusive Economic Zone stretching 200 nautical miles (370 km) from the shore, but this area can be extended if it is a part of the country's continental shelf or shallower waters. Some Arctic shelves extend for hundreds of miles, creating the possibility of overlapping territorial claims.

    Last August, as part of a scientific expedition, two Russian mini-subs made a symbolic eight-hour dive beneath the North Pole to bolster the country's claim that the Arctic's Lomonosov Ridge lies in the country's economic zone. A titanium Russian flag was also planted on the seabed. Russia first claimed the territory in 2001, but the UN demanded more evidence. The expedition irritated a number of Western countries, particularly the U.S. and Canada. The general said wars "are won or lost long before they start" and combat training was crucial for the success of any future military operations. "The Americans, for example, recently conducted the Northern Edge 12-day large-scale exercise in Alaska, involving about 5,000 personnel, 120 aircraft and several warships," Shamanov said, adding that Russia could not ignore such a show of military force near vital Arctic regions.

    He said the Defense Ministry would drastically change its approach to the combat training of highly-professional military units in the Leningrad, Siberian and Far Eastern military districts, which could participate in potential conflicts in the Arctic. He also said two expert groups in his directorate were closely studying combat training models based on computer-assisted combat simulations that have been adopted by some foreign militaries. "We may propose to the defense minister setting up a company-level fully computerized training center at one of the former testing sites," the general said. Russia's General Staff is planning to determine the new composition and size of the Armed Forces by the beginning of July. Meanwhile, the Defense Ministry has already announced plans to expand the presence of the Russian Navy in the world's oceans, including the Arctic, and extend the operational range of submarines deployed in the northern latitudes.

    Source: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080624/111915879.html

    Four Russian strategic bombers patrol Arctic, Atlantic oceans

    Four Russian strategic bombers are carrying out a routine patrol over remote areas of the Arctic and Atlantic oceans, a Russian Air Force spokesman said on Friday. "Two Tu-95MS Bear and two Tu-22M3 Backfire strategic bombers based at Engels airfield in southern Russia's Saratov Region are conducting on Friday a routine patrol flight over the Arctic and Atlantic oceans," Lt. Col. Vladimir Drik said. Russia resumed strategic bomber patrol flights over the Pacific, Atlantic, and Arctic oceans last August, following an order signed by former President Vladimir Putin. Russian bombers have since carried out over 80 strategic patrol flights and have often been escorted by NATO planes. Drik reiterated that all Russian strategic patrols are performed in strict accordance with international rules on the use of airspace over neutral waters without violating the borders of other states. Air Force commander, Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said in April that Russia would drastically increase the number of strategic patrol flights over the world's oceans to 20-30 a month in the near future.

    Source: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080620/111462629.html
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    • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

      There's not much to say, Eric. Thanks to their oil reserves they have the liquid assets to purchase modern armaments. Russia will sell arms to whoever has the money. It's natural. If Russia did not sell them arms Israel would, US would, EU would... However, modern weapons systems do not initiate wars nor do they win them. Politicians initiate wars and geopolitical circumstances, as well as capable modern armies, decide what side will win. Nations wage wars for specific gain. By going to war against Armenians in Artskah Azerbaijan will loose more than it can gain. Besides which, Brussels is against the resumption of hostilities, so is Washington and Moscow. Thus, Azerbaijan will 'not' start a war. What they are doing is posturing. They are attempting to scare Armenians into concession at the negotiation table. The real danger against Armenia is us Armenians. I feel more threatened by our ignorant and self destructive people than I do from the enemy's modern armaments.

      Nonetheless, if Russia withdrew its support of Armenia and Azerbaijan and the West thought that Armenia would not be able to withstand an armed onslaught, Azeri and Turkish forces would invade Armenia tomorrow.

      Originally posted by Eric View Post
      So each Smerch coasts about 11.6 million? Hmm I think those are smerches in the June 26s azeri parade, isnt it? Where did they get such a modern and expensive weapon?



      The other one is SS-23 Spider 9K714 OKA which was once Russia's front line nuclear rocket launcher. Who knows what warheads they use?





      And some kind of BTR?? What upgrade is it?

      If really interested, this is the youtube link that I shot the pictures from

      Military parade devoted to 90th anniversary of Azerbaijani Armed Forces.


      P.s I would really like to hear some comments about their recent parade.
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        Originally posted by Eric View Post
        So each Smerch coasts about 11.6 million? Hmm I think those are smerches in the June 26s azeri parade, isnt it? Where did they get such a modern and expensive weapon?

        Looks like Smerch's to me. The Azeri's probably bought old Soviet stocks from Ukraine.

        The other one is SS-23 Spider 9K714 OKA which was once Russia's front line nuclear rocket launcher. Who knows what warheads they use?

        That's actually the SS-21 Scarab.





        And some kind of BTR?? What upgrade is it?
        Looks like a BTR-70 upgraded with a new gun.

        Armenian BTR-70s are upgraded with Zu-23 AA guns.

        If your interested I can post some pix of the Azeri parade.

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          Originally posted by Armenian View Post
          I think Yerevan heard your conversation...

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          RA Defense Minister: Armenia closely watches Azeri army rearmament process



          Purchase of unmanned planes to scout the territory of NKR and Armenia is quite natural for the incumbent Azeri authorities, Armenia’s Defense Minister said. “We are carrying out certain work and are not going to fall behind Baku in the issue,” Seyran Ohanyan told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter during a news conference in Yerevan. The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry plans to buy 10 Hermes 450 unmanned scout planes from Silver Arrow Israeli company “to control the territories occupied by Armenia,” according to a source in the Azeri Ministry.

          Source: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=26267
          Looks like the Azeri's already have some Israeli UAV's. Here is a picture of a Israeli Aerostar UAV in Azerbaijan.



          Fore more info on that UAV click this link:

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            Originally posted by Supreme View Post
            Looks like Smerch's to me. The Azeri's probably bought old Soviet stocks from Ukraine.



            That's actually the SS-21 Scarab.





            Looks like a BTR-70 upgraded with a new gun.

            Armenian BTR-70s are upgraded with Zu-23 AA guns.

            If your interested I can post some pix of the Azeri parade.
            Hey supreme, azeri oil-money as Armenian said truly fills their army of few modern weapons, but i would much more be interested in our army's technologies and units, the BTR 70 upgrade that you were talking about do you know any details of it, and some pictures would be wonderful. As well as I would really like to know if Armenian army has any new computer based technologies and digitalized warfare.
            Forgive me if this is not a topic for this thread and would like someone to lead me with a source or another tread for similar but reliable topics.
            Thanks!

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              Abkhazia shuts border after 'Georgian terrorist attacks'




              Abkhazia shuts border after 'Georgian terrorist attacks': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhqqMuA-U-E

              Abkhazia has closed its border with Georgia pending a special order, the Abkhazian Security Council has announced. Several explosions have been reported in the past two days, injuring several people. Abkhazia blames Georgia for waging a ‘terrorist war’ against it. According to Abkhazian presidential spokesman Kristian Bzhania, all posts on the Georgia-Abkhazia border were closed on Tuesday at 8 am local time. The main bridge over the Inguri river, connecting Georgia and Abkhazia, is also closed. "The ban applies to civilians and vehicles. Only representatives of international missions accredited in Abkhazia will be cleared following consultations with the Foreign Ministry and State Security Council," said Bzhania. Abkhazian President Sergey Bagapsh is blaming the blasts on special forces taking orders from Tbilisi. Georgian Foreign Minister Eka Tkeshelashvili said they regret that Abkhazia “took this very irresponsible and inadequate measure which jeopardises the means of communication and movement of people who live in Abkhazia”. She said freedom of movement on the Inguri river benefits not only Georgians, but Abkhazians as well. According to Maksim Gvindzhia, Deputy Foreign Minister of Abkhazia, seven people were injured in the latest explosion in the capital Sukhumi.

              They are being treated in hospital where some are believed to be critically injured. There are unconfirmed reports of fatalities, but, Gvindzhia stressed they are as yet unconfirmed. One Russian tourist is believed to be among the injured. The explosions, which went off in a crowded market on Monday are believed to have been caused by bombs hidden in bins. It's the second such incident in two days. Six women were injured on Sunday in a blast in the city of Gagra. Abkhazia is blaming Georgia for the explosions. “These blasts are the work of Georgian special services. I’ve been saying for several years that it’s a country of terrorism. Their whole policy is based on terror, but we are going to fight it, and the situation will be under control. I can’t promise you that the same thing won’t happen tomorrow because anything is possible, but we’re taking all measures to find the terrorists,” President Bagapsh said.

              But Georgian officials deny any responsibility for such incidents, calling them provocation. “The accusations made by the authorities in Sukhumi against Georgia are not serious and are absolutely groundless. Tbilisi is constantly being blamed for all the negative events in the Abkhazia region, without waiting for any investigation of any of the evidence,” Georgia’s Defence Minister David Kezerashvili said. Tbilisi wants the border reopened and says that its closure violates previous agreements. Abkhazia says the blockade may be lifted very soon. But first, they have to make sure that everything has been done to stop further attacks on the republic's resorts.

              Sea link resumes between Russia and Abkhazia

              On July 1, the first passenger boat in 15 years went from the Russian sea resort of Sochi to the Abkhazian city of Gagry. The vessel Hermes can carry more than 200 people and will make four trips a day. Voyages to Gagry were halted in 1992 after the beginning of the armed conflict between Georgia and Abkhazia.

              Blocking the border

              Abkhazia is a self-proclaimed republic that was part of the Soviet republic of Georgia. After the fall of the USSR in 1991, Abkhazia's attempts to declare independence led to Georgia sending armed forces to Sukhumi and starting a full-blown war. Fighting ended one year later when CIS peacekeepers, most of them Russian, went in to Abkhazia to separate the conflicting sides. Together with UN forces, they remain stationed in the bordering Gali region. Georgia still considers Abkhazia part of its territory and wants to regain control over the region. Tbilisi also says that Russian peacekeepers should be withdrawn, which could raise tensions in the region. Peace talks between the two sides broke down two years ago. Recently, Georgia sent reinforcements to the region, sparking fears in Abkhazia that Tbilisi was planning a military campaign. Russia responded by increasing its peacekeeping force up to 2,500, which Georgia claims is a move by Moscow aimed at annexing the region.

              Source: http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/26805

              Russia wants radar installed in breakaway Georgian region to prevent drone flights


              A Russian diplomat says that Moscow wants to install a radar in Georgia's breakaway province to monitor flights of Georgian aircraft. Yuri Popov said Tuesday in a statement posted on the South Ossetian government Web site that the radar could help prevent incidents similar to those in Abkhazia, another breakaway province of Georgia. Popov represents Russia on a joint control commission for the region overseeing the truce that ended a war there in the early 1990s. Georgia accused Russia of shooting down an unmanned spy drone over Abkhazia last month, which Russia denied. U.N. observers studied video footage and concluded that a Russian fighter did shoot down the drone.

              Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...th-Ossetia.php
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              • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                Originally posted by Eric View Post
                Hey supreme, azeri oil-money as Armenian said truly fills their army of few modern weapons, but i would much more be interested in our army's technologies and units, the BTR 70 upgrade that you were talking about do you know any details of it, and some pictures would be wonderful. As well as I would really like to know if Armenian army has any new computer based technologies and digitalized warfare.
                Forgive me if this is not a topic for this thread and would like someone to lead me with a source or another tread for similar but reliable topics.
                Thanks!
                Not sure about your questions. It's pretty hard to find info on our military.


                I'll also look for the BTR pictures with Zu-23s mounted. But it would be better if we started our own thread to discuss this. I have some great pictures I wanna post here

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                  AZERBAIJAN: MEDVEDEV MAKES SPLASH IN BAKU, BUT IS IT MORE STYLE THAN SUBSTANCE?




                  Russia-Azerbaijan Relations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWDLuPflB4

                  Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev concluded July 3 talks with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev by pronouncing Baku to be Moscow’s “strategic partner.” Meanwhile, the head of the Kremlin-controlled conglomerate Gazprom, Alexei Miller, announced that talks would soon begin on the Russian firm’s purchase of Azerbaijani gas. But experts remain unconvinced that the upbeat rhetoric surrounding Medvedev’s visit will lead to any change in the existing bilateral relationship. During their meeting in Baku, Medvedev and Aliyev issued a declaration of friendship and presided over the signing of four intergovernmental agreements covering such areas as customs and privatization. The friendship declaration was vaguely worded and short on specifics, although Russia did seem to endorse Baku’s position that any political settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict should not undermine Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity, according to a report distributed by the APA news agency. At the same time, Medvedev was non-committal in his public comments, saying that Russia favors resolution of the Karabakh conflict through direct talks between the Azerbaijani and Armenian presidents.

                  The two sides expressed a desire for better coordination in the security sphere, and announced an intention to complete the delimitation of their shared border. In another section of the friendship declaration, Baku and Moscow pledged to promote a “central role in international affairs” for the United Nations. Miller, the Gazprom CEO, made perhaps the biggest news of the visit, telling journalists that Russia and Azerbaijan had agreed to start talks covering the purchases of Azerbaijani gas. “Azerbaijan will become another country where Gazprom can buy gas while just few years ago, our [Russian] gas was purchased by Azerbaijan,” Miller said. He declined to speculate on how much gas Gazprom was hoping to buy from Azerbaijan, saying only that the company was prepared pay market prices to obtain “maximum volume.” While on its surface the Kremlin’s ability to cajole Azerbaijan into talking about gas sales may seem like a diplomatic coup. But Azerbaijani experts are skeptical that Medvedev’s visit alone will prompt Baku to make a geopolitical shift in Moscow’s direction.

                  Elhan Shahinoglu, head of the Baku-based Atlas non-governmental think-tank, suggested that Aliyev, not wanting to antagonize Russia, was stringing Medvedev and Gazprom along, essentially playing for time. “Baku will try to delay the issue [of gas sales] for as long as possible,” Shahinoglu said to EurasiaNet. According to Shahinoglu, Baku would prefer not to see Russia become a middleman for Azerbaijani gas exports to Europe. Instead, Azerbaijani officials are more interested in pursuing the US- and EU-supported Nabucco project, which would evade Russia and link Caspian Basin natural gas directly to European markets. The dilemma for Baku is that Nabucco has not yet received the final go-ahead, and remains stuck in the feasibility-study stage. Another question mark for Azerbaijani export plans is the fact that Turkmenistan has yet to make a firm commitment to shipping gas via a trans-Caspian pipeline that would connect into the Nabucco network. Such uncertainty reinforces Baku’s inclination to “not rush with answer to Russia’s offer,” Shahinoglu said.

                  Baku-based energy expert Ilham Shaban believes that, at present, the maximum amount of gas that Azerbaijan is willing to sell Russia annually is 1 billion cubic meters. In addition, Azerbaijani officials are disinclined to accede to Gazprom’s desire to purchase large volumes from the Shah Deniz field. “Baku is unlikely to agree to sell gas from Shah Deniz to Russia,” Shaban told EurasiaNet. Other experts, such as political scientist Hikmet Hajizade, say that while Russia currently seems keen on energy cooperation with Azerbaijan, that stance would change quickly if Nabucco became a reality. Azerbaijani participation in Nabucco would automatically transform Baku and Moscow into bitter competitors. In this event, Hajizade added, Moscow would likely institute economic and diplomatic policies designed to coerce Baku.

                  Shahinoglu, the think-tank expert, predicted that if Baku pursues an export strategy that is not to Moscow’s liking, then the Kremlin would retaliate in other areas. “It is likely that Russia will use the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict to pressure Baku,” he said. Shahinoglu and other experts are also wary of Russia’s tendency to use corporate investment as a cudgel to compel former Soviet states to follow the Kremlin’s line. Many Russian firms, especially energy companies, are awash in capital and are always on the outlook to obtain stakes in neighboring countries’ infrastructures, such as energy distribution networks. During his visit to Baku, Medvedev was accompanied by large group of Russia’s business leaders, including Gazprom’s Miller, LukOil President Vagit Alekperov, and VTB Bank chairman Andrei Kostin.

                  While Shahinoglu characterized the current state of Azerbaijani-Russian relations as “normal,” he and other experts pointed to a trouble spot on the immediate horizon. The dilemma concerns a border spat involving two Azerbaijani villages -- Xraxoba and Uryanoba, located in the Khachmaz Region along the border with the Russian autonomous republic of Dagestan. The two villages were transferred to Russia for a period of 20 years during Soviet times, and although the transfer agreement expired in 2004, Russia has shown no signs of returning the settlements. Indeed, the fate of the villages is perhaps the largest impediment to the completion of border delimitation, as the residents of those villages have received Russian citizenship and have been thoroughly integrated in Russia’s political and economic system.

                  Source: http://www.eurasianet.org/department...av070308.shtml
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                  • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                    What is the reaction in the Armenia to Medvedev's statment that "endorses Baku’s position that any political settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict should not undermine Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity"?

                    I assume this latest turn of events is Russia's way of trying to have its cake and eat it too. In other words, Russia will tell Azerbaijan what it wants to hear in order to get control of their oil, while at the same time (in a low profile way), help Artsakh maintain its defacto independence.

                    Regardless of Russia's understandable political manuvering, I was disappointed to hear about Medvedev trumpeting the "terretorial integrity" ruse. At the same time, I realize you cannot get to emotional about these things.

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                    • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                      Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                      Regardless of Russia's understandable political manuvering, I was disappointed to hear about Medvedev trumpeting the "terretorial integrity" ruse. At the same time, I realize you cannot get to emotional about these things.
                      No nation on earth, including Armenia, will speak against "territorial integrity" of any given nation. Armenia has territorial integrity problems with Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan has territorial integrity problems with Armenia. Russia has territorial integrity problems, Britain has territorial integrity problems, China territorial integrity problems, Israel has territorial integrity problems, Turkey has territorial integrity problems, so does the United States as a matter of fact. Virtually all nation on earth have territorial integrity problems. Thus, it's in no one's interest to undermine the fundamental aspects of that particular article of international law.

                      So, it would only make sound political sense for Russia to promote territorial integrity of a nations, including that of Azerbaijan. However, the article you quoted from above also had this to say:

                      At the same time, Medvedev was non-committal in his public comments, saying that Russia favors resolution of the Karabakh conflict through direct talks between the Azerbaijani and Armenian presidents.
                      So, although Russia is promoting territorial integrity of nations it is also promoting the settlement of the conflict in question that would please 'all' sides. In short, this is diplomatic double talk.

                      And look at this.

                      While Shahinoglu characterized the current state of Azerbaijani-Russian relations as “normal,” he and other experts pointed to a trouble spot on the immediate horizon. The dilemma concerns a border spat involving two Azerbaijani villages -- Xraxoba and Uryanoba, located in the Khachmaz Region along the border with the Russian autonomous republic of Dagestan. The two villages were transferred to Russia for a period of 20 years during Soviet times, and although the transfer agreement expired in 2004, Russia has shown no signs of returning the settlements. Indeed, the fate of the villages is perhaps the largest impediment to the completion of border delimitation, as the residents of those villages have received Russian citizenship and have been thoroughly integrated in Russia’s political and economic system.
                      Russia supports Azerbaijan territorial integrity yet "occupies" a little portion of Azerbaijan. So, Russia has territorial integrity issues with Azerbaijan.

                      And let's not forget Lavrov's comments a couple of years ago:

                      But the greatest annoyance in Armenia is caused by the position repeatedly voiced by the Kremlin about Russia’s support for Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity. In August of last year Lavrov himself told an AzerTaj’s correspondent: “Russia has been supporting consistently and in full measure the principle of territorial integrity. This applies to Azerbaijan as well.” Nevertheless, the recent visit of Russia’s foreign minister to Baku deserves special attention. Answering on February 2 the question of an Azeri journalist about Russia’s priorities in the principles of “territorial integrity” and “the right of nations to self-determination”, Lavrov said: “One should not set off these two principles against each other, since both of them are stated in the UN Charter and should not be applied to the detriment of each other.” Some Azeri mass media already then hurried to “interpret” such a reply of the Russian diplomat in the context of his Armenian origin, reminding that during last year’s visit of Armenia’s Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanian to Moscow, Lavrov said: “Yes, I have Armenian blood in my veins. My father is an Armenian from Tbilisi.”
                      Here we see Lavrov placing the "territorial integrity" of nations on an equal level as "the right of nations to self-determination." This is actually more-or-less the official position of Armenia.

                      Crusader, this is Political Science 101. This is basic politics and basic international diplomacy. There is no such thing as international law, justice, ethics, territorial integrity, rights of self determination, freedom, democracy, etc, etc. The key to understanding politics has to do with understanding "geopolitics" and "national interests."

                      Anyway, since Armenia is not a major power it is dependent upon the Russian Federation for longterm survival. As long as Russia see its interests with Armenia, which it currently does and in my opinion will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, Armenia will continue to maintain the status quo in the region and upper hand in the Caucasus.

                      Look for signs of 'stress' between Yerevan and Moscow if you are worried about Artsakh.

                      We need to look at international diplomacy and politics in a different light.
                      Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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