Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I am pretty sure they will be ratified. A lot of work by many people has been done to get to this point plus preparations are already being made on the assumption that borders will open. I dont think the kind of money being spent on preparations would be spent unless this was a done deal. The kharabagh resolution should follow quickly probably like Armanen said but i am hopefull we can hang on to some of those 5 regions.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

To add a bit to what Haykakan said.

The union between Russia and Belarus is not likely to happen anytime soon, the two nations are not very eager to become a true union. The most important aspect of the union is the military one, which is essentially done already as both are CSTO members and share much military intelligence in regards to the European front.

The chances of the azeris joining the Union is about as likely as the u.s. being allowed to join the SCO.

The likely outcome is that azerbaijan will agree to give up Artsakh and a land corridor linking Artsakh with Armenia, in return Armenia will give up 5 of the 7 regions around the NKAO. This may anger some but if it will ensure that Armenia has open borders, becomes a regional transit hub, and doesn't endanger the people of Armenia and Artsakh than it is a good trade off.

However, it is too soon to really be talking about any of this, afterall, there is a chance the protocols will not be ratified by either parliament.

In terms of national security, it is a definite loss for Armenia, giving up its most strategic positions for keeping Azeris from invading Artsakh and Syunik.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

In terms of national security, it is a definite loss for Armenia, giving up its most strategic positions for keeping Azeris from invading Artsakh and Syunik.

Once these deals get done we wont need to worry about the azeris attacking for a long time. As i said before the Azeris would have already attacked us if it was not for russia despite us holding the strategic positions now. I am hopefull we will keep some of the more important strategic positions but once we start doing business things will change between our people. Business has a way of mending wounds, we will see how this goes.

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Hovhannes Shirazi "Hayots Tantyagane"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0vd3drhZo&feature=related

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

In terms of national security, it is a definite loss for Armenia, giving up its most strategic positions for keeping Azeris from invading Artsakh and Syunik.

At this point I also think that. Which is why I said 'and doesn't endanger the people of Armenia and Artsakh'.

This is something official Yerevan will have to consider very deeply and stress to the great powers the dangers of forcing Armenia to give up these lands without clear and definite measures that will ensure the safety and security of Armenia and Artsakh.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Hovhannes Shirazi "Hayots Tantyagane"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0vd...eature=related

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[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

The URL contained a malformed video ID.

I retyped it and it's working now.

I'll retype it again.

Hovhannes Shirazi "Hayots Tantyagane"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0vd3drhZo&feature=related

[Kiffer]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I shall visit your website. May I write in French or not ?

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Azerbaijan panicky about Armenian-Turkish reconciliation



The signing of the Armenian-Turkish Protocols in Zurich provoked Azerbaijan’s immediate reaction. We will hardly exaggerate if we call this reaction confusion or, to be precise, a panic.

Azerbaijani Parliament MP Gudret Hasanguliyev called Turkey’s step a betrayal of Azerbaijan, pointing out the step was “imposed on Turkey by the West”.

“Azerbaijan is cornered and has no way but join the Russia-Belarus union. I think Azerbaijan can defend its territorial integrity within this union only,” MP said. Pointing out the wrong policy of the Turkish authorities, Hasanguliyev proposed reviewing Azerbaijan’s policy towards Turkey: “Azerbaijan sells gas to Turkey at a price three times as low as the world market price. We turned Turkey to an oil and gas transit country.”

A 11-member group of Azerbaijani MPs will leave for Ankara October 13, the Azerbaijani APA news agency reports. They intend to meet with both Turkish officials and oppositionists and express their concern over the Protocols signed on Oct 10.

Azerbaijani political analysts also commented on the recent developments. Vafa Guluzade, seeing a U.S. scenario in the latest developments, calls for working out a new competent policy.

http://news.am/en/news/6376.html

Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see. The Azeri's (top leadership) know more about the protocols than our very own s sarkisyan. Any move by Turkey is a move for Azerbaijan...always will be. Anyone who trusts a racist Turkish government, such as what they've had for 100 years now, is a fool. Anyone who is willing to go against the greater Armenian peoples wishes, to appease / give in to the same government is not caring about our future one bit.

Anyone else notice how whenever a foreign leader comes to Armenia or the Armenian president goes to a foreign event/meeting, the Armenian President has a visit to Moscow the next week?


Who's your daddy, serzh?

[Eddo211]

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Armenian-Turkish Protocols To Confirm Kars Treaty

YEREVAN (PanArmenian.net)—If signed, the protocols on establishing relations between Armenia and Turkey will give legal power to the treaty of Kars, signed between Kemalist Turkey and the Soviet government on October 13, 1921, according to Arman Melikyan, the former Foreign Minister of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

The fifth clause in the first protocol establishing diplomatic relations between the two countries requires “the the mutual recognition of the existing border between the two countries as defined by the relevant treaties of international law.”

The only relevant treaty defining the de facto borders between the Republic of Armenia and Turkey is the Treaty of Kars, signed between Turkey and Bolshevik Russia, as well as the Soviet Republics of Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia. Armenia, as vassal state at the time, was forced to relinquish its rights to the treaty of Sevres and cede control of Nakhichevan and Nagorno Karabakh to Azerbaijan. The treaty was not reconfirmed following the collapse of the Soviet Union.

“The Kars agreement stipulated the acknowledgement of borders between Turkey and the Caucasian states: Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan. At present, the protocols specifies only the Republic of Armenia’s de facto border with Turkey,” Melikyan explained, adding that Yerevan should “annul the Kars agreement, and then continue its negotiations with Turkey.”

Melikyan added also that neither Azerbaijan nor Georgia have acknowledged their borders with Turkey, thus automatically annulling the agreement. As a result, Nakhichevan, which was given to Azerbaijan by the Kars treaty, legally does not belong to Azerbaijan.

According to Melikyan, Armenia will find itself at an unfavorable position vis-à-vis Turkey if it signs the protocols. “I don’t want such fate to befall our country,” he said, adding that Armenia will be at the mercy of the Turks if the Kars treaty is indirectly ratified through the protocols. “We have to clarify our relations with Turkey.”

http://www.asbarez.com/2009/09/17/armenian-turkish-protocols-to-confirm-kars-treaty/