Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see. The Azeri's (top leadership) know more about the protocols than our very own s sarkisyan. Any move by Turkey is a move for Azerbaijan...always will be. Anyone who trusts a racist Turkish government, such as what they've had for 100 years now, is a fool. Anyone who is willing to go against the greater Armenian peoples wishes, to appease / give in to the same government is not caring about our future one bit.

Anyone else notice how whenever a foreign leader comes to Armenia or the Armenian president goes to a foreign event/meeting, the Armenian President has a visit to Moscow the next week?


Who's your daddy, serzh?

So then you should understand that Russia is behind these protocols and Serj's 'daddy' is Putin/Medveedev, and that he doesn't have much of a choice. Add to that the pressure from brussels and washington, and you have the present situation.

Armenia is trying to get the best deal out of something that was going to happen sooner or later and with or without its consent.

[Haykakan]

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Anyone else notice how whenever a foreign leader comes to Armenia or the Armenian president goes to a foreign event/meeting, the Armenian President has a visit to Moscow the next week?

Wow your implying that Armenia consults with russia regarding its foreign policy? What a shocking revalation indeed! Like you need to get a job at the CIA quick they can use a sharp guy like you.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Ter-Petrosian Bloc Toughens Stance On Turkey-Armenia Deal


In a clear toughening of its position, Armenia’s largest opposition alliance has officially condemned as “immoral and inadmissible” the signing of landmark agreements to normalize Turkish-Armenian agreements.
The Armenian National Congress (HAK) again accused President Serzh Sarkisian of willingly sacrificing greater international recognition of the Armenian genocide in return for what it called false Turkish promises to unconditionally reopen the border between the two countries.

“No Armenian leader has ever given such big gifts to the Turkish state and nation,” Levon Zurabian, the HAK’s central office coordinator, charged on Wednesday, presenting the bloc’s official reaction to the weekend signing ceremony in Zurich that made headlines in the international media.

“The signing of the Turkey-Armenia protocols is the latest unfortunate proof of the ruling regime’s political bankruptcy and diplomatic wretchedness,” read a separate statement issued by the HAK.

The alliance led by former President Levon Ter-Petrosian again based its criticism on a protocol clause that calls for a joint Turkish-Armenian study of the 1915 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Like many in Armenia and its Diaspora, it believes that the Turks would exploit the study to prevent more countries from recognizing what many historians consider the first genocide of the 20th century.

“Even this immoral and inadmissible deal did not live up to Armenia’s expectations,” the HAK statement said, pointing to Turkish leaders’ continuing linkage between border opening and a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. It said Ankara will achieve its main objectives even if it fails to ensure the mandatory ratification of the protocols by the Turkish parliament.

The HAK similarly condemned the planned formation of a Turkish-Armenian historical “sub-commission” when it reacted to the August 31 publication of the two protocols in an early September statement. Still, it said at the time that the documents mark “considerable progress” towards the normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations, something which Ter-Petrosian himself had championed during his 1991-1998 presidency.

Ter-Petrosian stood by that statement when he addressed thousands of supporters rallying in Yerevan on September 18. He harshly criticized instead Sarkisian’s conciliatory policy on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

In its latest statement, the HAK likewise accused Sarkisian of seeking to make “equally unacceptable concessions” to Azerbaijan. The bloc repeated its claims that the only way to thwart “this anti-national process” is for Armenia’s leading political groups to form an anti-government coalition and force Sarkisian into resignation.

Zurabian made clear that the HAK has no plans to join a newly formed grouping of a dozen opposition parties led by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) which was formed earlier this month to fight against the implementation of the Turkish-Armenian accord. He claimed that Dashnaktsutyun maintains close ties with the government, arguing that it is still not seeking Sarkisian’s resignation despite its harsh criticism of his policy on Turkey.

Dashnaktsutyun leaders have said that they will fight for “regime change” in the country only if they fail to prevent the protocols’ ratification by Armenia’s parliament.

http://www.armenialiberty.org/content/article/1851499.html

[Haykakan]

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Does anyone still pay any attention to LTP? This guys contradicts himself constantly and even the dashnaks dont want any part of him despite his opposition to the establishment. LTP and his political career need to go the way of the dodo bird.

[ninetoyadome]

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Does anyone still pay any attention to LTP? This guys contradicts himself constantly and even the dashnaks dont want any part of him despite his opposition to the establishment. LTP and his political career need to go the way of the dodo bird.

seriously. when he was running for president he claimed he would he would open the border with azerbaijan and turkey and now that the border is going to open hes saying the opposite. he keeps flip flopping. atleast serzh is doing what he promised he would do. also think about it both turkey and azerbaijan wanted ltp to be president because they know hes more corrupt than Serzh.

[Gavur]

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Does anyone still pay any attention to LTP? This guys contradicts himself constantly and even the dashnaks dont want any part of him despite his opposition to the establishment. LTP and his political career need to go the way of the dodo bird.

I see you are still under the influence of this charade, LTP is the establishment!
They have created a false opposition to get rid of the real opposition under the cover.Being a intelectual dificult to justify why you can't see that simple fact unless you have an agenda.

[gegev]

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I wandered why the football match was chosen to start and finish the Armenia-Turkey talks, instead of a chess competition among the countries?

Now I know - chess matchs didn’t fit to the spirit of the pre-signed outcome; the surrender “Protocol”.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I see you are still under the influence of this charade, LTP is the establishment!
They have created a false opposition to get rid of the real opposition under the cover.Being a intelectual dificult to justify why you can't see that simple fact unless you have an agenda.

So your saying LTP is created by Serj and friends to hold back the dashnaks? I dont need to have a agenda to see things nor do i need it to see how silly your implication is.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

So your saying LTP is created by Serj and friends to hold back the dashnaks? I dont need to have a agenda to see things nor do i need it to see how silly your implication is.

Silly Because it doesn't fit your view of the "Real"'s. non the less true.
These guys are the establishment, true or not?
This LTP fool retires 2 years ago and says he's out of politics for good, and going to write a book on history, true.
He's immediately ushered back by the external powers a year ago to be the false opposition, and to give hes partners in crime oppurtinity to take the firmest control and eliminate any possibility of the true opposition (who BTW were asleep at the wheel)
Other then a few brave voices in the wild, true.
You won't want to see this because you are not for the people, just an opportunist riding the coat tales of the establishment for possible personal gain.
Now, hows about them apricots ?

[Davo88]

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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/10/15/a_new_role_for_turkey/

See how this xxx commends Turkey for the protocols and praises it as a leader among Muslim countries. He also caracterises our opposition to the protocols as "bizarre" saying that if Iran wanted to discuss the holocaust with impartial historians the xxxs would be more than happy. I doubt that it is the case. xxxs would then denigrate Iran by saying that they dare questioning the veracity of the Holocaust. Besides, the historians in Turkey that we are going to sit with and the likes of Justin McCarthy are nothing close to being impartial.