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    By Matt Porter (Syracuse Univ.) Student Correspondent Corps
    Published: August 3, 2010 20:49 ET in Study Abroad

    KAYSERI, Turkey — Rows of homes that used to be part of Kayseri’s Armenian quarter and housed up to 400 families are now dilapidated and lay empty or are filled with squatters. The district is a symbol of the tragic history between Armenians and Turks during the last century, a history plagued by animosity and violence.

    But in the center of that district stands a 900-year-old Armenian church, defiantly active and restored as a reminder of the better days of Armenian history in Turkey.

    Earlier this year, U.S. President Barack Obama issued a statement in remembrance of the Armenian “Great Catastrophe,” calling it “one of the worst atrocities in the 20th century.” According to various estimates, 300,000 to 1.5 million Armenians died during World War I after being forced from their homes by the Ottoman Empire, now modern Turkey. The Armenian National Committee of America said the president made the “wrong choice” in not using the word “genocide.” Armenians have strongly pushed the United States to officially recognize the events in Ottoman Turkey as a genocide.

    However, one group of Anatolian Armenians (from Turkey’s Asian side) prefers to look beyond the polarizing rhetoric in an attempt to preserve what remains of their history in Kayseri: their 900-year-old church.

    “We try to remember the importance of religion. It’s our most important cause. Our foundation doesn’t think about politics,” said Garbis Bagdat, director of the St. Gregory Church Foundation.

    Hidden behind a ten-foot stone barricade, the St. Gregory the Illuminator Church is one of only seven Armenian churches still functioning in Anatolia.

    Rows of dilapidated homes that used to be part of Kayseri's Armenian quarter and housed up to 400 families now lays empty or filled by squatters. The distri...


    “When we visit, our old Kayseri neighbors are always asking us why we left and why we don’t come back,” Bagdat says. “Most of them say they would like us to come back.”


    Bagdat prefers to remain with the majority of his community now in Istanbul, but his foundation is determined to preserve the pieces of history remaining in his former home.

    The Kayseri Church has added importance because the community believes St. Gregory passed through the city and established an earlier church constructed of wood in the same location. St. Gregory was the first leader of the Armenian Church and is credited for converting the pagan Armenians to Christianity during the fourth century. Kayseri served as a major Armenian center for centuries before losing prominence in the late Ottoman period.

    Bagdat’s group recently completed interior restorations. They revitalized old frescoes, furnishings, and statues. The community capped off the efforts with an inaugural service last November with the Armenian Patriarchate presiding. Since then, the church has seen regular Armenian visitors from Istanbul, Armenia, Europe, and the United States, including a group of Istanbul Armenians now living in Los Angeles.

    “Having this church here, the only church, is very symbolic for us,” said Sylvia Minassian whose grandfather came from Kayseri, “We would like to preserve it as much as we can, as long as we can because it shows there was a Christian life here.”

    Minassian grew up in Istanbul. For her, Turkey is home. She watches Turkish television, speaks to her mother in Turkish, and feels less animosity towards Turkish people.

    “Our feelings are not as strong as some of the other Armenians whose families went through certain disasters and tragedies and they ended up in other countries,” Minassian said, “We never knew about [the other] history because our parents never taught us those things.”

    Bagdat believes the Kayseri Church can serve as a reminder the city’s Armenian past for future generations. Bagdat says the Turkish government has been extremely helpful and has never stood in the way of his group’s mission to restore the church to its former glory.

    “We are on a good path,” says Bagdat, “Twenty years ago, the situation was much worse. Nobody would speak about Armenians, and we wouldn’t speak because of Armenian terrorism outside of Turkey. We were afraid.”

    But now, he says discussion are more open and he has had visitors from the Turkish government who want to learn more about the church.

    For the last few years, Turkey has worked to normalize relations with its Armenian neighbors. Some feel that one of the key provisions for normalization would be an independent examination of the historic tragedy.

    Turkish Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, spoke to reporters with hope about the future.

    “As Turkey, we are ready to share the pain of our Armenian neighbors,” said Davutoglu.
    However, he preferred to use the word pain versus genocide in his remarks.

    Turkey continues to see the deportations, what some Armenians view as death marches, as tragedies during wartime. Turkish historians often refer to Turkish losses in Gallipoli and in its eastern provinces as equivalents.

    It’s an issue that continues to agitate, and even Minassian believes this remains the biggest obstacle to more normal relations between non-Turkish Armenians and Turkey.

    “What hurts them [Turkey] the most is the non-accepting of what happened,” said the visiting Minassian. “I think that if they accepted it a long time ago, nobody would have blamed the new generation because it happened in the old empire.”

    Bagdat says he prefers to “close his ears” to the issue because he lives in Turkey.

    For him, Turkey is his home. He chooses to stay, and lives among many Turkish friends. Politics isn’t his issue. He chooses to keep his heritage by protecting the Kayseri church.

    “The church is the life of the Armenians,” Bagdat says. “Every Armenian is attached to their church.”

    With one year left as foundation director, Bagdat will continue his restoration campaign. The next step is to revitalize the church’s large courtyard.

    The church will continue to hold four services each year when approximately three to four hundred Armenians are anticipated to worship behind those cobblestone walls like their ancestors did for over a thousand years.

    For the Kayseri foundation, the church remains a chance to keep history alive.

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      Ahmet Davutoglu requests world-leading economist of Armenian decent to return to Turkey
      September 10, 2010 - 16:43 AMT 11:43 GMT
      PanARMENIAN.Net - Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu requested a world-leading economist of Armenian decent, Daron Acemoglu to return to Turkey, offering him a responsible position in economy sector. Acemoglu did not deny the possibility of returning, Ermenihaber stated.

      Daron Acemolu (born September 3, 1967 in Istanbul, Turkey) is a Turkish economist of Armenian descent. He is currently the Charles P. Kindleberger Professor of Applied Economics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and winner of the 2005 John Bates Clark Medal. Acemoglu has authored the famous Economic Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy book.

      Daron Acemolu is among the 20 most cited economists in the world according to IDEAS/RePEc.


      Why Armenian Government dont employ him just for the fun of it to take turkish eye off...

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      • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

        Let's remember one thing: the turks is a name. They are muslims first.
        (Oh if they would only repent and accept the Lord)...I know that is another
        ball game.

        If they were anything else, as i said in another thread, everyone would be
        labeling them, ie. TOG() IAD(). fill in the label.

        Muslims regardless of what nation are building mosques as fast as making pancakes.

        They would love to build one in Yerevan.

        Greek meaning with ultimate oath of passion: "freedom or death."

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        • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

          Originally posted by Christina View Post
          Let's remember one thing: the turks is a name. They are muslims first.
          (Oh if they would only repent and accept the Lord)...I know that is another
          ball game.

          If they were anything else, as i said in another thread, everyone would be
          labeling them, ie. TOG() IAD(). fill in the label.

          Muslims regardless of what nation are building mosques as fast as making pancakes.

          They would love to build one in Yerevan.

          Greek meaning with ultimate oath of passion: "freedom or death."
          There is already one in Yerevan

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          • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

            I believe you.

            Then that is not good for Armenia. Because Christianity is the basis of
            Armenia. Mosques are centers for members to try to convert the good
            Christians.

            If Saudi Arabia does not allow Churches in their land, then neither
            should Armenia.

            Armenia is for the Armenian people first and also for those who
            are in like minded Christian Apostolic tradition. This is the faith that
            links a people into a community.

            The Christians must not be gullible to being converted or influenced.

            This can undermine any people and nation.

            Armenian for the Armenians and their Proud Spirit!

            (But look at Europe: okay, now the muslims are carrying on they need
            and want more than one mosque in a city or nation.) so that is let's
            hope I do not hear there is more than one in Yerevan now.

            That is a tragedy for the Armenian people. It is also this for all
            devout Christians.

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            • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations



              US midterm elections reset lobby dynamics for Turkey

              A more Republican-leaning Congress brought by Tuesday's midterm elections in the United States is a mixed blessing for the future of the U.S.-Turkish relationship, diplomats and analysts said Thursday.

              "We eventually got rid of the Californian gang, and it's good," said one Turkish diplomat privately, referring to campaign losses for both Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democrat Howard Berman, who were known to be hostile to Turkey. California has a large Armenian community.

              Pelosi will cede her post to the present Republican minority leader, John Boehner, with whom Turkish diplomats have good working relations.

              Berman, the pro-Armenian chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, will also be replaced by a Republican, likely Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.

              The changes affecting Turkey mirrored the trend across the country, as Tuesday's midterm elections dealt a massive upset to Democratic President Barack Obama, with the opposition Republicans regaining the control of the House of Representatives, Congress' lower chamber. The Democrats managed to keep their control in the Senate, Congress' upper chamber, but their formerly comfortable majority diminished.

              For Turkey, however, the so-called Armenian lobby remains strong in both houses of Congress. For example, Republican Representative Mark Kirk of Illinois, a leading sponsor of the "Armenian Genocide" resolution in the House, won his election bid to the U.S. Senate in Illinois, filling the seat once held by Obama.

              Also in a hotly contested race, Senate majority leader Harry Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, an "Armenian Genocide" resolution co-sponsor, won re-election, as did the same bill's other co-sponsors, Senators Barbara Boxer, a Democrat from California, and Charles Schumer, a Democrat from New York.

              In the House, all major pro-Armenian lawmakers were re-elected, with the exception of George Radanovich, a Republican from California, who previously announced his decision not to run again.

              In the 1990s, Turkish diplomats dealing with the United States had a motto: "Democratic presidents and Republican Congresses,” since Republicans were less concerned about Turkey’s human rights history.

              The situation in Turkey, however, has changed in the last 15 years or so. Whereas Turkey was once a loyal ally of the United States, it now has its own independent foreign policies and initiatives, particularly in the Middle East, including rapidly improving ties with Iran and Syria and a worsening relationship with Israel. As such, many U.S. conservatives, especially in the Republican Party, are upset with Turkey.

              Lame-duck sessions
              The new Congress to be elected Tuesday will take office Jan. 3, and any congressional sessions between now and the New Year are called "lame duck" sessions. There is a slight chance two important things could happen for Turkey during the lame-duck sessions. First, there has been no U.S. ambassador in Ankara for more than three months. Obama's ambassadorial nominee for Ankara, Frank Ricciardone, has so far failed to win Senate confirmation as prominent Republican Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas has effectively blocked Ricciardone’s nomination.

              Ricciardone can at best be confirmed in the Senate's lame-duck sessions beginning in mid-November on the condition that Brownback lifts his veto. Brownback was elected governor of Kansas on Tuesday and will leave his Senate job at the end of the year.

              If Brownback were to lift his hold on Ricciardone – despite there being no sign of such intent – and the Senate confirmed Ricciardone, the latter could take his job in Ankara. However, if Brownsback does not lift his veto and the Congress does not vote for Ricciardone, the Ankara envoy’s seat will remain vacant at least until the new Congress is convened in January.

              Secondly, Turkey is also concerned about a vote on the "Armenian genocide" resolution pending in the House of Representatives during the lame-duck season.

              The House Committee on Foreign Affairs narrowly approved the "genocide" bill in March, and the resolution is awaiting a possible vote on the House floor. U.S. Armenians are seeking a vote on the resolution in one of the lame-duck sessions, but Obama's administration is standing resolutely against this bill.

              Many Republicans are ultimately angry about Ankara's rapprochement with Iran and the new hostile relationship between Turkey and Israel; if this situation continues, they could take hostile action against Turkey.

              Moreover, if pro-Armenian deputies do not bring forth a “genocide” resolution bill during the lame-duck sessions, they could conceivably reintroduce such a bill after Jan. 3. Many Republicans, angry with Turkey, could back these bills.
              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                man, why can't turkey just xxxx off already? This Turkish-Armenian relations agenda is such a waste of time and money. What can be done to get rid of them once and for all?

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                • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                  Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                  man, why can't turkey just xxxx off already? This Turkish-Armenian relations agenda is such a waste of time and money.
                  What can be done to get rid of them once and for all?
                  Turks are thinking about us in those same terms.
                  The reality is both are here to stay.
                  Brushing them aside is not the answer.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                    turks are such a pain in the ass, the world would be a better place without them.

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                    • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                      Well they removed us from their list of state enemies, and added Israel. Time to partner up with Israel...
                      Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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                      "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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