Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

That article Armanen posted summs up what i have been saying all along. As for following the xxx model, i do not wish to follow their model nor do we need to. We have our country and we can make it grow with respect and dignity without treachery.

When it comes to international relations and geopolitics there is no such thing as honor or dignity. Leaders of nations do what must be done in order to secure the national interest and further the strategic goals of the said country. When it comes to developing national character, than that is a different story and I think the RA government should do more to instill patriotism amongst Armenians both in Armenia and the Diaspora.

[Armanen]

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Welcome back to the forum

Armenians need to do to Russia what the Jews have done to the USA. We have had a presence in Russia for at least two centuries yet we have failed whereas the Jews have not. Their diaspora, no matter where, is in unity and Israel once had ALL their borders closed yet we are divided and whine about one closed border with a genocidal neighbour. We are failing to follow the Jewish (Zionist) model.

Thank you my friend!

[Federate]

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So you suggest that Armenia should close the border with Iran and Russia as well. Point taken.

Russia and Armenia do not share a border and are not even close to having one. The Georgian border with Russia is closed, the Armenian border with Azerbaijan is closed and the Armenian border with Turkey is closed. We can't even get to Russia via the sea. Despite this, big brother Russia has bought all the major infrastructures in Armenia. The same could happen if Turkey comes in. The difference is that one entity is a historical enemy that only 15 years ago threatened to invade Armenia. As for the Iranian border, it is way too small and does not lead to Europe to be as important as the Turkish border.

[Icy]

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It's still good to have the Iranian border open,
just incase any plans of highways,railways, or
pipelines are being constructed.

[Alexandros]

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So you suggest that Armenia should close the border with Iran and Russia as well. Point taken.

Where did you learn geography?In the Netherlands or Turkey?Geeeez.

[Davo88]

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It is true that there will be considerably more Turkish products in Armenia, but I don't think that Armenia will become like what Canada became... The US is Canada's only land neighbour, and the rest of the world is very far, so Canada doesn't have much of a choice. Besides, the US is not just any neighbour. So this is just to say that Armenia won't necessarily be dependant on Turkey (although it'll have easier access to European and Middle-Eastern markets). So the argument about Iran does not hold water.

Nobody usually questions the economic benefits of the opening of the border, though. I think that these Dashnaks presented this argument because in Armenia, some people consider that relations with Turkey will "save" them or something.

You can read this if you want http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/KI29Ag01.html

[KanadaHye]

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It is true that there will be considerably more Turkish products in Armenia, but I don't think that Armenia will become like what Canada became... The US is Canada's only land neighbour, and the rest of the world is very far, so Canada doesn't have much of a choice. Besides, the US is not just any neighbour. So this is just to say that Armenia won't necessarily be dependant on Turkey (although it'll have easier access to European and Middle-Eastern markets). So the argument about Iran does not hold water.

Nobody usually questions the economic benefits of the opening of the border, though. I think that these Dashnaks presented this argument because in Armenia, some people consider that relations with Turkey will "save" them or something.

You can read this if you want http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/KI29Ag01.html

I dunno, first it'll start with Turka Cola and next thing you know... there will be Mc Turks serving Mc Turk Nuggets and Mc Turk Chicken

[Haykakan]

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After the free trade agreement that Canada signed with the US, the only thing that happened was American companies came in and bought everything up and Canadians became more Americanized. The economy grew only because of the American debt system... people started "affording" things they couldn't afford before like big houses and fancy cars. However, that feeling of wealth is only temporary because they haven't worked for the things they "own".

The free trade agreement has brought canada huge factories and jobs, untill recently anyways lol. Lots of shops moved to Canada from Detroit after nafta. It is not hard to see how Turckish money can boost Armenia's economy and you can add to that the benefits of having easier access to europe. Open borders will force a favorable solution to the kharabagh side and even make Armenia the center of euro-asia-middleeast trade. Russia has been setting this up a long time and this is why it has been buying up armenias infustructure. Why would Ruussia do this? It does it because it knows it can control Armenia thus this important route. It can also control azerbadjan and somewhat turckey as well because they also will be dependent on open borders with Armenia. Armanen i realize self interest comes first but i would not want hayastan to be like the zionist state, isreal is a pool of racism and narcicism and i dont want neither one for Hayastan. Self interest and honor and dignity are not necesserily mutually exclusive.

[KanadaHye]

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The free trade agreement has brought canada huge factories and jobs, untill recently anyways lol. Lots of shops moved to Canada from Detroit after nafta. It is not hard to see how Turckish money can boost Armenia's economy and you can add to that the benefits of having easier access to europe. Open borders will force a favorable solution to the kharabagh side and even make Armenia the center of euro-asia-middleeast trade. Russia has been setting this up a long time and this is why it has been buying up armenias infustructure. Why would Ruussia do this? It does it because it knows it can control Armenia thus this important route. It can also control azerbadjan and somewhat turckey as well because they also will be dependent on open borders with Armenia. Armanen i realize self interest comes first but i would not want hayastan to be like the zionist state, isreal is a pool of racism and narcicism and i dont want neither one for Hayastan. Self interest and honor and dignity are not necesserily mutually exclusive.

Those shops were just taking advantage of the cheap labor and exchange rate. For every 1 American worker, they were getting 1.5 Canadian workers... it was a trivial decision in terms of production output. However, like all things it is just relative. In the end, only those living on the border (like myself) was able to take advantage of the differences. Canada can close all the borders off with the U.S. and the only thing they would miss is produce from Cali, Florida.

In this global economy, it's important to have open trade to bring in manufactured goods from other countries but there is no point unless there is a strong local economy based on manufacturing. Or else you'll end up having a China-US or US-Mexico relationship where you can get 10 Chinese workers for the price of one US worker.

I agree, I wouldn't want to be part of any zionist-like state... but the idea would be for the diaspora to be in sync with Armenia's goals. If our goal is to have a greater Armenia, there are a few ways to go about it. But if we keep changing direction and shuffling our feet, we'll get nowhere.

[Davo88]

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I dunno, first it'll start with Turka Cola and next thing you know... there will be Mc Turks serving Mc Turk Nuggets and Mc Turk Chicken

If we do that without our problems with the Turks being solved, it would be an utter sign of defeat...

In this global economy, it's important to have open trade to bring in manufactured goods from other countries but there is no point unless there is a strong local economy based on manufacturing. Or else you'll end up having a China-US or US-Mexico relationship where you can get 10 Chinese workers for the price of one US worker.

Yeah that's right!