Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Anoush]

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I wish to see the day that we free the whole North-West, West and South-West of today's Artsaxian liberated lands and attach the whole of Artsaxian lands to Armenia!!!

[crusader1492]

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I had to do a little conversion. 20,000 hectars = 77 sq miles.

That is wonderful news! Let us know if you get any more confirmation of this event.

Also, Anoush, I cracked open a bottle of Armenian Brandy to celebrate also. Genatz Hayastan!

[Armenian]

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Good stuff. So if the operation took place in the occupied portion of Mardakert (north-east) and that we liberated 20 000 hectares (200 km square) then this means the remaining portion of Mardakert that was under Azerbaboon occupation remains no longer in their control, right?

I don't have any other details, I have written as much as I know.

I first got the news on the evening of August 12, when my family and I were having dinner with the family of some very close friends in Yerevan. During the course of dinner the sister of my friend told us that she has important news to report; she said her 18 years old son called her from Artsakh to tell her that he was part of a major military operation in the Martakert region. She said her son told her over a hundred Azeri servicemen were killed and a strategic hill (according to the mother somehow associated with Monte Melkonian) was liberated. That was that. Obviously, the story seemed/felt legitimate, especially since it was coming from the mother of a servicemen involved in the combat. However, news agencies were dead silent about this event. So I didn't know what to make of it.

And today, I met a friend who had just gotten back from Armenia and without me telling him anything he mentioned that he met with a high ranking military official in Yerevan and was told that during the war in Georgia Armenian forces carried out a major offensive in northern Martakert liberating some 20,000 hectars of land and bringing Armenian troops within easy firing distance to the gas/oil pipelines that pass through Gandzak (Azer: Ganja) area.

That's the story I have.

I firmly believe now that this operation did take place and a certain segment of Martakert was liberated during the course of the Russo-Georgian war. As far as how many Azeris were killed (they are saying over a hundred) or how many square kilometers of land was liberated (they are saying 20,000 hectars) I am not yet a 100% sure.

[crusader1492]

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Good stuff. So if the operation took place in the occupied portion of Mardakert (north-east) and that we liberated 20 000 hectares (200 km square) then this means the remaining portion of Mardakert that was under Azerbaboon occupation remains no longer in their control, right?

That sounds about right. To put it in perspective (for me) 77 square miles is apporximately 4% of the size of Rhode Island.

Does this mean the whole of Shahumian was liberated?

[Armenian]

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Does this mean Getashen was liberated?

I don't think so. I can find out by calling her. The soldier's mother said that a strategic hill in the Martakert region (associated with Monte Melkonian) under Azeri occupation was liberated.

[Armanen]

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It's a bit suprising that even a western news outlet has not reported on any such incident. Then again, the closest any western journalists are to the area is Yerevan, and not many even there.

[Armenian]

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It's a bit suprising that even a western news outlet has not reported on any such incident. Then again, the closest any western journalists are to the area is Yerevan, and not many even there.

The nearest foreign news agency is probably hundreds of miles away from the area in question. I think the only western news agency that has an office in Armenia is CNN. Normally, when there are such developments, government officials in Yerevan (the foreign ministry in particular) hold press conferences and 'reveal' information to reporters that are present. The news representatives then put together appropriate reports and send them to their main headquarters for dissemination. All capitols, including Baku, does the same. This is how news agencies find out these types of developments, especially developments regarding desolate/remote places such as Nagorno Karabagh. Sometimes, however, foreign reporters are given access to conflict zones for a first hand look, but these are limited access. When unique military operations like the recent one in Martakert occur, other than the immediate sides involved, only intelligence agencies would know what transpired. Nonetheless, reporting this event would 'not' have been in Baku's best interest. But I have a feeling that sooner-or-later some news agency or some think tank will mention this occurrence in one of their reports.

[Anoush]

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I had to do a little conversion. 20,000 hectars = 77 sq miles.

That is wonderful news! Let us know if you get any more confirmation of this event.

Also, Anoush, I cracked open a bottle of Armenian Brandy to celebrate also. Genatz Hayastan!

Cheers to you too buddy and every Armenian on the face of this earth. genatset yev genats mer azad angakh Hayrenikin!!!!!

[Federate]

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The area inside a black circle with an arrow is what I suspect was liberated during the operation. It's roughly 20 000 hectores in size. The area in dark orange is Mardakert.

[Anoush]

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In one hectar you can build a house with it's backyard. We're talking 20,000 hectars. That's pretty good and in the right direction for us.