Armenian-Turkish Relations

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

It seems so...

I'm going to tell how there are Armenians supporting this and some stupid things they say. But that's for tomorrow....

it's all about this issue

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

We got our interest in the opening of the borders there is no issue in that, Armenia will sale power to turkey ,lower tariffs,new routes more independence from blockades or closed borders like Georgia.Do u wonter why there is no armenian products in europe but from Thailand and Bangladesh exist,well cause transport from air cost and from sea !WE GOT NO SEA.New markets will open.
Why Azeris are so against it?I dont believe that our government is so naive in that issue.
Maybe some sort of compromise will come and no historic commission will establish and so no preconditions.
Greece has open bordes with turkey that dont make them friends tension still exist.

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

It's not about Serjik, it's about us(Armenian government/serjik) making the same mistakes. We are again trusting the Turks it seems we haven't learned anything at all.

I love the actor and so the act.but this is nothing to do with todays situation,its about what happened hes telling a story.
Be sure i dont believe word from a turk nor im friend nor i have laid down my weapons,today we are more prepared,the nations that have already recognized the genocide what u think will do about it what will think about the commission.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Armenia doesn't have access to a sea and opening the borders still won't allow them to have FREE access to a sea. Any products that go through Turkey will surely be taxed. If you are trying to compete in the global market and make a profit, you need to cut out the middle man and go right from the source to the destination. Otherwise Armenians will be nothing but cheap labour.

And there should be NO COMPROMISE on the Genocide issue. Something so overwhelmingly witnessed, documented and concealed for nearly a century shouldn't be "left up to historians".

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

We got our interest in the opening of the borders there is no issue in that, Armenia will sale power to turkey ,lower tariffs,new routes more independence from blockades or closed borders like Georgia.Do u wonter why there is no armenian products in europe but from Thailand and Bangladesh exist,well cause transport from air cost and from sea !WE GOT NO SEA.New markets will open.
Why Azeris are so against it?I dont believe that our government is so naive in that issue.
Maybe some sort of compromise will come and no historic commission will establish and so no preconditions.
Greece has open bordes with turkey that dont make them friends tension still exist.

OK I will try to explain it to you as simple as possible:

I told you that opening borders is not our VITAL interest.Turkey is obliged to open the border by all international norms. We do not have to beg them for that. There may be some trade benefits if border is open (much more for turkey than for Armenia) but it is also doubtful. Now turks try to sell as something which is free all around world, and they ask a very high price:
in 2 words-Armenia give up on territorial pretences and do not support AG Recognition world wide-this is what on paper. What is not on paper is return of so called "occupied territories" to azeris. This last one I am not sure about but very probable...
Why azeris make noise? Azeris always make noise- that all they can make...
Now you understand? If not, I am sorry this was your last chance...

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

So when our president say that the opening of the borders will not hold back the Genocide nor the Artsax recognition and that its hole different issue that have no connection and he insist in no preconditions.

Yerevan and Ankara realized importance of publicity and transparency of Armenian-Turkish process
01.09.2009 17:40 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenian-Turkish joint statement and protocol on establishing ties contains several positive points for Armenia, Stepan Grigoryan, Head of Analytical Center on Globalization and Regional Cooperation, told a news conference in Yerevan. “Yerevan and Ankara have realized the importance of making normalization process public and transparent. Even the best document cannot be valid if it has not received public approval. Besides, Protocol clearly states the time-limits for each action. It’s a very important aspect, since Armenia in this period was concerned that Turkey may constantly delay the process,” Armenian expert stressed.

All clauses in the Protocol “On Establishing Bilateral Ties” comply with international standards, which is a positive moment, speaker said. “That the document does not refer to Kars treaty is also a positive aspect. But the phrase ‘common border’ is underlined here. As UN member, Armenia has recognized both countries’ borders and territorial integrity,” Stepan Grigoryan noted. Besides, Ankara has rejected the policy of imposing preconditions, as can be seen by the Protocols which contain no single word on Karabakh conflict.

“All that demonstrates that Ankara has undertaken serious steps in relation to Armenia, and that enables President Sargsyan to leave for Turkey to watch return football match,” Armenian expert stated. According to him, Armenian-Turkish process maintains positive tendencies. “As regards ratification of protocols, I think both countries’ legislative bodies will approve them,” he said.

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

OK I will try to explain it to you as simple as possible:

I told you that opening borders is not our VITAL interest.Turkey is obliged to open the border by all international norms. We do not have to beg them for that. There may be some trade benefits if border is open (much more for turkey than for Armenia) but it is also doubtful. Now turks try to sell as something which is free all around world, and they ask a very high price:
in 2 words-Armenia give up on territorial pretences and do not support AG Recognition world wide-this is what on paper. What is not on paper is return of so called "occupied territories" to azeris. This last one I am not sure about but very probable...
Why azeris make noise? Azeris always make noise- that all they can make...
Now you understand? If not, I am sorry this was your last chance...

Sargisyan is from NK he fight the azeris in the war u think he will give land back?there is no sense,all experts underline the fact that turkey will benefit more economically in term of development in the east regions,i believe we can make more profit from them if we sell power,with our new nuclear power plant.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

So when our president say that the opening of the borders will not hold back the Genocide nor the Artsax recognition and that its hole different issue that have no connection and he insist in no preconditions.

What he suposed to say? He is lying.
Read the text of protocol I have posted it in this thread.

Yerevan and Ankara realized importance of publicity and transparency of Armenian-Turkish process
01.09.2009 17:40 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenian-Turkish joint statement and protocol on establishing ties contains several positive points for Armenia, Stepan Grigoryan, Head of Analytical Center on Globalization and Regional Cooperation, told a news conference in Yerevan. “Yerevan and Ankara have realized the importance of making normalization process public and transparent. Even the best document cannot be valid if it has not received public approval. Besides, Protocol clearly states the time-limits for each action. It’s a very important aspect, since Armenia in this period was concerned that Turkey may constantly delay the process,” Armenian expert stressed.

All clauses in the Protocol “On Establishing Bilateral Ties” comply with international standards, which is a positive moment, speaker said. “That the document does not refer to Kars treaty is also a positive aspect. But the phrase ‘common border’ is underlined here. As UN member, Armenia has recognized both countries’ borders and territorial integrity,” Stepan Grigoryan noted. Besides, Ankara has rejected the policy of imposing preconditions, as can be seen by the Protocols which contain no single word on Karabakh conflict.

“All that demonstrates that Ankara has undertaken serious steps in relation to Armenia, and that enables President Sargsyan to leave for Turkey to watch return football match,” Armenian expert stated. According to him, Armenian-Turkish process maintains positive tendencies. “As regards ratification of protocols, I think both countries’ legislative bodies will approve them,” he said.

Yes sure..sure... so the only positive side of that xxxx is that it is written well? And that Kars treaty is not mentioned but it is the only one turks recognize as the "treaty"? Common that is just official bushtit of our looser government.



READ THE xxxxEN PROTOCOL!

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Mukuch the protocol say that first will be open the borders and last will be the sub-commissions,in that matter hole world views this step as the most right one with mutual dialog(democracy).
What makes u think that this can't be turned back to turks as lost battle,so when time comes and turkey say genocide did not happened here is our documents what do u think that our historians or the nations that recognize the genocide will do they will f*** laugh.

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

U got ur personal opinion so do i,i post based in news that i read and the opinion of experts,then i talk what u do exactly?
Dashnak are u?The party will never rule in democracy with such attitude only in dictatorship,so brave u are then lets take weapons against Georgians so we get access to sea.
Think for a while for the Armenians that live in Armenia.
U rule out that maybe we got our own agenda,and maybe we wont to be the center of the region u name it economical transportations atc.