Armenian-Turkish Relations

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

What you say, Armsurvival, is partially wrong, while indeed partialy correct. Turkey is really undergoing a positive change in terms of its approach towards nations it has not been on good terms with. If you follow the agenda of Turkey, you can easily see that more and more people are talking about 1915, though it may not be on a satisfactory level for you. This protocol is a result of this change.

On a societal level you're probably right, even if its on a small scale. But at the government level (where it really counts) there is no change to speak of. Turkey did everything in its power to wipe out Armenians, in fact the only reason we have a country at all is because of the last stand battles made by the remaining Armenians in 1918. Ever since then, Turkey knows the eyes of the world are on the region, and so it pretends to be civilized with Armenia. But even in the modern era, a time when Turkey cannot directly attack Armenia because of Russia's open military support, Turkey has nonetheless taken every aggressive action against Armenia short of full-scale warfare. It supported ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Azerbaijan by giving Azeri bandits weapons and political support (which it still does) and it closed its border with Armenia, which by itself is an act of war under international law. The only thing more aggressive than these policies, is open warfare, which Turkey actually threatened to do in 1993 by putting over 50,000 troops on the Armenian border. This is just a continuation of all the crimes they committed against us under the Ottoman Empire (genocide, pogroms, cultural/political suppression, janissary slavery, harem slavery, etc). No civilized person would want diplomatic relations with such a country, especially when THEY are asking US for preconditions. If anyone should be asking for preconditions and security guarantees, its Armenia.

The Turkish government won't have any ties with Armenia for two reasons: Turkey wants Armenia to give up Karabagh (even though it has always been an Armenian province), and Turkey wants Armenia to sign the illegal Kars treaty. They basically want us to give up our lands. Thats the bottom line.

Actually, i would like to see more Armenians in Turkey. The Armenians I meet in Istanbul are really nice and warmhearted people. I geniunely wish that the Eastern Turkey should not have been cleansed of its Armenian population. I hope we get closer to each other in the short run.

If you truly feel like that then it shows you are civilized... however, I'm afraid you are a small minority with no power. As for the Armenians in Istanbul, they are nice because they are scared to death of provoking the Turks in any way, shape or form. This includes censoring their own thoughts and speech, so they won't end up like Hrant Dink, murdered by a police agent. His murder is a prime example that Armenians in Turkey are STILL actively persecuted by the government and their mobs if they even think about speaking up about any injustices. If you live in Turkey, you know that what I'm saying is true.

[Joseph]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

On a societal level you're probably right, even if its on a small scale. But at the government level (where it really counts) there is no change to speak of. Turkey did everything in its power to wipe out Armenians, in fact the only reason we have a country at all is because of the last stand battles made by the remaining Armenians in 1918. Ever since then, Turkey knows the eyes of the world are on the region, and so it pretends to be civilized with Armenia. But even in the modern era, a time when Turkey cannot directly attack Armenia because of Russia's open military support, Turkey has nonetheless taken every aggressive action against Armenia short of full-scale warfare. It supported ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Azerbaijan by giving Azeri bandits weapons and political support (which it still does) and it closed its border with Armenia, which by itself is an act of war under international law. The only thing more aggressive than these policies, is open warfare, which Turkey actually threatened to do in 1993 by putting over 50,000 troops on the Armenian border. This is just a continuation of all the crimes they committed against us under the Ottoman Empire (genocide, pogroms, cultural/political suppression, janissary slavery, harem slavery, etc). No civilized person would want diplomatic relations with such a country, especially when THEY are asking US for preconditions. If anyone should be asking for preconditions and security guarantees, its Armenia.

The Turkish government won't have any ties with Armenia for two reasons: Turkey wants Armenia to give up Karabagh (even though it has always been an Armenian province), and Turkey wants Armenia to sign the illegal Kars treaty. They basically want us to give up our lands. Thats the bottom line.




If you truly feel like that then it shows you are civilized... however, I'm afraid you are a small minority with no power. As for the Armenians in Istanbul, they are nice because they are scared to death of provoking the Turks in any way, shape or form. This includes censoring their own thoughts and speech, so they won't end up like Hrant Dink, murdered by a police agent. His murder is a prime example that Armenians in Turkey are STILL actively persecuted by the government and their mobs if they even think about speaking up about any injustices. If you live in Turkey, you know that what I'm saying is true.

Very true summary. My wife is an Armenian from Istanbul with family still there. They are canaries in a cage. OF course they tow they line as much {at least as far as they can stomach} they haven't any choice. Turks constantly remind them just how gracious they are for "allowing Armenians to live there, and how they are treated without harm". Gee, thanks...its' actually an insult but the Turks do not see it that way. Not to mention it is not the truth. Armenians there prefer to live under the radar.

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

On a societal level you're probably right, even if its on a small scale. But at the government level (where it really counts) there is no change to speak of. Turkey did everything in its power to wipe out Armenians, in fact the only reason we have a country at all is because of the last stand battles made by the remaining Armenians in 1918. Ever since then, Turkey knows the eyes of the world are on the region, and so it pretends to be civilized with Armenia. But even in the modern era, a time when Turkey cannot directly attack Armenia because of Russia's open military support, Turkey has nonetheless taken every aggressive action against Armenia short of full-scale warfare. It supported ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Azerbaijan by giving Azeri bandits weapons and political support (which it still does) and it closed its border with Armenia, which by itself is an act of war under international law. The only thing more aggressive than these policies, is open warfare, which Turkey actually threatened to do in 1993 by putting over 50,000 troops on the Armenian border. This is just a continuation of all the crimes they committed against us under the Ottoman Empire (genocide, pogroms, cultural/political suppression, janissary slavery, harem slavery, etc). No civilized person would want diplomatic relations with such a country, especially when THEY are asking US for preconditions. If anyone should be asking for preconditions and security guarantees, its Armenia.

The Turkish government won't have any ties with Armenia for two reasons: Turkey wants Armenia to give up Karabagh (even though it has always been an Armenian province), and Turkey wants Armenia to sign the illegal Kars treaty. They basically want us to give up our lands. Thats the bottom line.




If you truly feel like that then it shows you are civilized... however, I'm afraid you are a small minority with no power. As for the Armenians in Istanbul, they are nice because they are scared to death of provoking the Turks in any way, shape or form. This includes censoring their own thoughts and speech, so they won't end up like Hrant Dink, murdered by a police agent. His murder is a prime example that Armenians in Turkey are STILL actively persecuted by the government and their mobs if they even think about speaking up about any injustices. If you live in Turkey, you know that what I'm saying is true.

How true you are in everything you said above. I also have secondary relatives from Istanbul and it is all true.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Armenian Parliament to discuss Armenian-Turkish relations


The issue on Armenian-Turkish relations will be tackled in Armenian Parliament next week. The matter was discussed at the meeting of National Assembly committee on foreign relations. Heritage and ARF Dashnaktsutyun Parties’ representatives seconded the hearings.

ARF Dashnaktsutyun already proposed to hold parliament hearings on Armenian-Turkish relations, however the initiative was supported by Heritage party only.

MP Armen Rustamyan (ARF Dashnaktsutyun) stated “we find it necessary to hold discussions on Armenian-Turkish relations, Armenian-Azerbaijani issues, as well as Turkish-Azerbaijani tandem to work out effective steps in all directions in accordance with fundamental regulations of national security.”

http://news.am/en/news/3815.html

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

What you say, Armsurvival, is partially wrong, while indeed partialy correct. Turkey is really undergoing a positive change in terms of its approach towards nations it has not been on good terms with. If you follow the agenda of Turkey, you can easily see that more and more people are talking about 1915, though it may not be on a satisfactory level for you. This protocol is a result of this change.

This protocol has nothing to do with Turkish society, this protocol is a direct result of pressure of superpowers on both sides. And as turkey is the more powerful of sides it is loosing the least (virtually nothing) as result of this pressure. I can assure you that none of the 2 nations is crazy about signing this Protocol at least in the form it is presented.

And believe me, Turkey does not want to wipe Armenia off. It presents diversity in a densely Muslim region.

Yah sure, all turkey cares is the diversity . LOL
Turks have already wiped Armenia of, and what rest of it does not represent any serious interest to turks if not consider the “pain in the ass” caused by that “horrible” Armenian Diaspora.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Armenia "to open Lachin corridor linking Karabakh" for Azerbaijan thaw

Armenia will demilitarize and open the Lachin corridor that connects Karabakh to Armenia as a step for normalizing ties with Turkey, a Turkish daily said.

Armenia will demilitarize and open the Lachin corridor that connects Karabakh to Armenia as a step for normalizing ties with Azerbaijan, a Turkish daily said on Saturday.

Outside of the protocol between Turkey and Armenia, important steps have been taken on the solution of Karabakh conflict. The Lachin corridor connecting Karabakh to Armenia will be demilitarized and opened to the world by Yerevan, Turkish daily Yenisafak said.

After a step that establishes diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia, important steps have taken on the solution of the Nagorno-Karabakh problem.

According to diplomatic sources, OSCE will send an observation team for technical examination of the Lachin corridor in Karabakh in the second half of September to the region.

Observation team's mission report will note strategic importance of the Lachin corridor to provide the link between Karabakh and Armenia. It will expressed that Armenian troops' withrawal from five regions of the seven as important as to open the Lachin corridor in the process of solution.

According to the roadmap for the solution of the Karabakh problem, the new crossing point is expected to be the Commonwealth of Independent States Summit on Oct. 5-7.

Azeri land has been under Armenian occupation in early 1990s in which nearly 30,000 people died and 2 million were forced to flee their homes. Shootings between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces in the region remain common despite a 1994 cease fire.

Fighting between Azerbaijan and Armenia over the area ended in 1994 when a ceasefire was signed. The two sides are still technically at war because no peace treaty has been signed.

Turkey's ties with Armenia

Turkey and Armenia announced a roadmap to normalise ties in April. But Turkey has since said it would not open the frontier until Armenia withdraws from occupied Nagorno-Karabakh.

A joint statement issued by Turkey, Armenia, and Switzerland on Aug. 31 said that Turkey and Armenia agreed to start their internal political consultations on the establishment of diplomatic ties and development of bilateral relations.

The statement said internal political consultations over two protocols, which had been agreed on under Swiss mediation, would be completed within six weeks which would be followed by ratification at Turkish and Armenian parliaments.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=46827

[Federate]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

If this last piece on Lachin is anywhere true, Sargsyan must soon suffer LTP's fate.

[Icy]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I doubt it Fed, I've talked to soo many hayastancis
and the majority of them have said the same answer,
Serj will never do it the people know whats right and wrong not him.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

If this last piece on Lachin is anywhere true, Sargsyan must soon suffer LTP's fate.

Agree

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

People this story is coming from a Turkish news paper,not only that the hole article shows azeris lost there lands by Armenian aggression, which in no way Sargisyan will make such a statement.