Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Army]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Are your glorious Army solders as brave as your president is. And please don’t tell me that Saakashvili is not your president. Check it with your beloved Turks. That converted you into Muslim several times throughout history as the big number of Muslims in Georgia proves it.
blablabla

I do not live in Georgia anymore.

eeeh do as you wish, eat eachother, let the Russia and USA win.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I do not live in Georgia anymore.

eeeh do as you wish, eat eachother, let the Russia and USA win.

Yes it is obvious you live in turkey, although I think you could choose more civilized country to live...
The only way to letting USA and Russia win is signing this protocols as they are the real interested ones....

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

ERDOGAN-SARGSYAN MEETING EXPECTED IN USA?

Panorama.am
14:38 14/09/2009

The Prime Minister of Turkey Tejep Tayip Erdogan is leaving for the
United States on 21 September, Turkish "Sabah" reports. It is said
that the Turkish PM will not be accompanied by reporters.

It is also said that the Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan, Turkish
PM Tayip Erdogan and Foreign Ministers Edward Nalbandyan and Ahmet
Davutoglu are going to have meeting in the U.S. It is going to be
the fourth meeting that the Armenian and Turkish officials have.

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Justice Yes,

Protocols No!

On August 31st, the Foreign Ministries of Turkey and Armenia issued a framework for ongoing negotiations -- a set of dangerous "protocols" which, if adopted, would compromise the truth of the Armenian Genocide, undermine the right of the Armenian nation to a just resolution of this crime, and threaten the very security and future viability of Armenia.

Raise your Voice!

September 19th
12 - 3 pm

Permanent Mission of the Republic of Armenia to the United Nations

119 East 36th St.
New York, NY

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The AYF is arranging transportation to the protest from throughout the Eastern U.S.

Contact [email protected] for more information about travel from your area.

Turkey-Armenia Protocols: The Facts

The Protocols surrender the rights of all Armenians and threaten the security of Armenia and Artsakh.

They commit to "territorial integrity and inviolability of frontiers," a clear indication of support for Azerbaijan's flawed and baseless claim to
Artsakh, without any mention of the right to self-determination.

The protocol confirms "the existing border between the two countries as defined by the relevant treaties." This is a clear reference to the illegal seizure of Armenia lands before, during and after the Armenian Genocide. The theft of these lands should not be accepted, nor should any steps be taken that prevent the return of these territories to Armenia as part of a just resolution of the Armenian Genocide.

The protocol emphasizes "their [Turkey and Armenia] decision to open the common border." This implies that the border was closed based on mutual agreement, when, in fact, Turkey has unilaterally and illegally blockaded Armenia since 1993.

The protocol commits to "refrain from pursuing any policy incompatible with the spirit of good neighborly relations." This provision will be interpreted by Turkey to mean that Armenia will no longer support international recognition of the Armenian Genocide. The rights of each Diasporan community to advocate for their rights cannot be compromised. It is not only our right, but our obligation to press for international recognition of the Genocide.

The protocol calls for the creation of an historical commission to "define existing problems." The existing problem is the unresolved crime of Genocide. Turkey seeks to secure Armenia's approval for a document that would downgrade the Armenian Genocide from a profound international moral challenge to a bilateral point for negotiations.

Stand for Truth / Work for Justice / Fight for Freedom / justicenotprotocols.com



by Armenian Weekly

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Toronto Armenians Unite in Opposition to Protocols



TORONTO—More than 400 members of the Toronto Armenian community gathered at the Armenian Community Centre on Friday, September 4 to learn more about the recently negotiated protocols for the normalization of relations between the Republics of Turkey and Armenia and to protect the rights of the Armenian people. The public gathering was jointly organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation “Soghomon Tehlirian” chapter, the Social Democrat Hunchak Party Canadian Regional Executive and the Armenian Democratic Liberal Party (Ramgavar) Canadian Regional Executive.

The gathering featured a video presentation of ARF Bureau member Hagop Der Khatchadourian, who provided background on the protocols, expected future developments and the risks involved in the ratification of the protocols. Following the video presentation, the evening’s Master of Ceremonies Hagop Tchakmakian introduced Levon Hasserjian, who spoke about the threats posed by the protocols to the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide, the rights of future generations of Armenians and the continued existence of the Nagarno-Karabakh Republic and it’s people’s right of self determination.

Following Hasserjian’s presentation, the floor was opened to questions. The questions and comments were generally reflective of the genuine worry of Toronto Armenians about the policies of the current Armenian administration in pursuing relations with the Republic of Turkey and the price that the Armenian people would pay for these decisions.

In order to ensure that the concerns of Toronto Armenians were presented to the Armenian authorities, it was decided that a formal protest declaration should be prepared by the attendees of the gathering and formally presented to the government of Armenia. After much discussion, the attendees agreed on the following declaration:

“Provisions in the Protocols indicate preconditions set forth by Turkey and conflict with the interests of Armenia and Armenians on the whole. The project obviously tends to prevent the restoration of historical rights and rupture Armenians. Ratification of the Protocols by the countries’ parliaments will be a deterrent for Armenians to claim their ancestral land as well as recognition of the Armenian Genocide (at that all achievements on the international level will be jeopardized). In addition, the possibilities of Armenia to negotiate on Karabakh peace process will be limited.

This project arising out of its authors’ interests is full of dangerous consequences for the centuries-long struggle of Armenians for independence. We, participants of the meeting call Armenian Authorities, National Assembly and Armenian nation to reject the project will all preconditions and pursue the policy of preconditions’ exclusion in normalization of bilateral relations.”

The attendees also promised to keep abreast of further developments regarding the protocols and to stand firm against any attempts by the government of Armenia to imperil the future of the Armenian people.

http://www.asbarez.com/2009/09/10/to...-to-protocols/

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I encourage everyone on this Forum to please tell your friends and acquaintances to go to New York to the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Armenia to the United Nations, 119 East 36th St. New York, NY this coming Saturday, Sept. 19th from 12 - 3 pm.

This is extremely important for our nation's interest and simply to continue to be a nation in the face of the earth. Yes it is as important as that!!!!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Analysis

Turkey and Armenia
Why are relations between Turkey and Armenia improving?

BBC World Service, broadcast on 10 Sep 2009

Click here to listen to the broadcast

I encourage everyone on this Forum to please tell your friends and acquaintances to go to New York to the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Armenia to the United Nations, 119 East 36th St. New York, NY this coming Saturday, Sept. 19th from 12 - 3 pm.

This is extremely important for our nation's interest and simply to continue to be a nation in the face of the earth. Yes it is as important as that!!!!

Anyone that CAN attend, SHOULD attend. It's only 3 hours of your time. Please get involved!

[Federate]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Dashnaks Stage More Protests Against Turkey-Armenia Deal


Carrying banners and chanting “No concession to Turkey!” the protesters also demanded that the Armenian government accept specific amendments to the two protocols put forward by the nationalist party.

One of the amendments wants the protocols to explicitly state that Armenia and Turkey are normalizing their relations “without preconditions.” Another relates to the planned formation of a Turkish-Armenian inter-governmental “sub-commission” tasked with studying the 1915-1918 mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.

Dashnaktsutyun is strongly opposed to such a study, saying that Ankara would use it to discourage more countries from recognizing the massacres as genocide. It says the sub-commission in question should instead promote a “dialogue aimed restoring mutual trust between the two peoples.”

The proposed changes were swiftly circulated in Armenia’s parliament. “We expect the deputies to at least familiarize themselves these proposals and take them seriously,” Hrayr Karapetian, a Dashnaktsutyun lawmaker, told RFE/RL.

The initial reaction of leaders of the parliament’s pro-government majority was less than positive. Galust Sahakian, the parliamentary leader of President Serzh Sarkisian’s Republican Party (HHK), said Dashnaktsutyun’s concerns are “unacceptable” to the HHK.

“I don’t think that these are very serious proposals,” said Heghine Bisharian of the Orinats Yerkir Party, a junior partner in Sarkisian’s governing coalition. “We support the country’s president and the protocols that exist today,” she told RFE/RL.

Only the opposition Zharangutyun party voiced support for Dashnaktsutyun’s initiative. The two opposition forces hold between them only two dozen seats in the 131-member National Assembly. Observers say Sarkisian should therefore have little trouble securing the mandatory parliamentary approval of the Turkish-Armenian protocols.

Meanwhile, some 50 Dashnaktsutyun members camped outside the Armenian prime minister’s office in Yerevan’s main square, while 24 others began a collective hunger strike outside the nearby Foreign Ministry building. The hunger strike will have a largely symbolic character, though, as participants said that they and other Dashnaktsutyun members will take turns in refusing food for two days.

“We demand that the government abandon plans to sign the Turkish-Armenian protocols,” one of the protesters told RFE/RL. “We hope that our authorities have retained a little common sense.”

“We demand our lost homeland,” said another. “We demand that they don’t betray our feelings for the lost homeland.”

It was an apparent reference to another key provision one of the protocols that commits Armenia to explicitly recognizing its existing border with Turkey. Dashnkatsutyun has strongly objected to it.

Police officers at the scene did not attempt to impede or end the protest which Dashnaktsutyun leaders said will last until the end of a six-week period set by the authorities in Ankara and Yerevan for “internal political consultations” on the highly sensitive matter. Vahan Hovannisian, a Dashnaktsutyun leader, claimed that unlike their Turkish counterparts, Armenia’s leaders have still not initiated such discussions in earnest.

“Unfortunately what is happening in Turkey is not happening in Armenia,” Hovannisian told journalists. “There has been no [official] discussion at any level. That certainly arouses our discontent. We are concerned that they are trying to keep the society away from politics.”

President Sarkisian plans to meet the leaders of dozens of Armenian political parties and discuss with them his Western-backed policy towards Turkey on Thursday. Hovannisian confirmed that he and other Dashnaktsutyun leaders will attend the meeting.

http://www.armenialiberty.org/content/article/1823228.html

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Armenians in Glendale to conduct rally to protest Armenian-Turkish Protocols

15.09.2009 20:06 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ On September 27, Armenians in Glendale (U.S.) will conduct a rally to protest Protocols on normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations. Over the weekend the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Western US Central Committee met with leaders of the Social Democratic Hunchakian Party, the United Young Armenian. This meeting reinforced that the main political forces in the community are opposed to provisions of the Protocols, which they believe will endanger Armenia’s national security and violate the nation’s historical rights, Asbarez.com reports.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=36422

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ARF Dashnaktsutyun to be on hunger strike for 4 weeks

15.09.2009 18:25 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Hunger strike against Armenian-Turkish Protocols will last 4 weeks, ARFD Supreme Body representative Armen Rustamyan told journalists. He finds that people are not closely familiar with documents and do not see its disadvantages that may reflect on young generation, ARFD’s principal goal is to reveal document contents to people.

ARFD Dashnaktsutyun has started a rally and hunger strike near Foreign Ministry and Government buildings as sign of protest against Protocols on Normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations. Protesters hold posters reading, “No Preconditions!”, “No Acceptance, No Concessions, Protest!”. There is also a stand containing ARFD’s demands proposed to be included in Armenian-Turkish Protocols.

Initially 24 individuals, including ARFD’s youth wing representatives and Supreme Body members were reported on hunger strike.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=36413

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Koran says: “if you can’t cut enemy’s hand; kiss it ”,

The Koran says? I doubt it. It's just a proverb.

Another advice-to-AYF proverb could be "if you cannot bite - don't show your teeth".

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

The Koran says? I doubt it. It's just a proverb.

Another advice-to-AYF proverb could be "if you cannot bite - don't show your teeth".

Yeah? Are you assuming that they can't? Whether they can or can't... why is your concern?

turkey is playing the same dirty politik with Armenia's government that they played against Greece's government and Cyprus. Only Greece's government fell for it and turkey won.