Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Told ya Armenias leaders will do what is best for Armenias as well they should. If turckey ties opening borders with kharabagh then no deal otherwise the cards stay on the table. Maybe something will still come of this and maybe it wont but all the russian-turckish stuff goin around i get the feeling something is in the works and i hope i am right because open borders can do Armenia a lot of good.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Erdogan: our goal is restoration of Ottoman Empire might
21.09.2009 14:45 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkey’s goal is to live in peace with all countries and restore the might of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

“I believe that each Turkish family should have at least three children. We believe in Turkey’s future and call on everybody to believe,” he said.

Dwelling on Turkish-Russian relations, he described them as strategic.

“Russia is our partner. The trade between our countries has reached $40 billion,” Milliyet newspaper quoted Erdogan as saying.

haykakan not after statements like this

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Well what did you expect him to say? If this deal doesnt fall through somethin else will be done maybe via georgia to end our isolation, and if it does fall through then so be it. All leaders say one thing to their public and another at the negotiation table, this is nothing new. All that matters is the end result. Btw i would hardly describe russian-turckish relations as strategic, its more economic because strategicly they are still rivals.

[KanadaHye]

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I wish somebody had a clue what was going on.... so many conflicting reports from different sites. Not sure how reliable this one is, probably 3rd or 4th party information.

Officials Do Not Deny Turkish-Armenian Deal Set For October 13



YEREVAN -- Armenian officials are not denying that the landmark agreements aimed at normalizing Turkish-Armenian relations will be signed on October 13, a date that has been reported in the press, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.

In a joint statement issued on August 31, the Armenian and Turkish Foreign ministries said they will sign an agreement within six weeks.

The documents will then go to the parliaments of both countries for approval.

Citing unnamed Turkish diplomats, the Turkish daily "Milliyet" reported on September 17 that the foreign ministers of the two neighboring states will sign the agreements one day before the World Cup qualifying soccer match between Armenia and Turkey.

The Foreign Ministry in Yerevan did not deny the report when asked about it, and Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Burak Ozugergin told AFP that the two countries have "a month" and "the signing will be sometime around this day."

A source close to Armenian diplomats told RFE/RL's Armenian Service that the signing ceremony will probably take place in a third country.

http://www.rferl.org/content/Officia...3/1826232.html

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Haykakan, we should just agree to disagree on certain issues, and keep our eyes on future developments.

[Yakamoz]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Turkey’s goal is to live in peace with all countries and restore the might of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

“I believe that each Turkish family should have at least three children. We believe in Turkey’s future and call on everybody to believe,” he said.

He is such an idiot

[Army]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Idiot because he wants peace with all countries..?

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

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Armenia Got What It Wanted
From: Mihran Kalaydjian <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:02:28 +0500 (AMST)

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ARMENIA GOT WHAT IT WANTED

http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/politics-lrahos15273.html

14:35:56 - 22/09/2009

Serious political events are taking place around the Armenian and
Turkish and the Karabakh issues. The Republican Party has always been
for establishment of relations without preconditions with Turkey,
said the Republican press secretary Eduard Sharmazanov.

The Genocide and Karabakh cannot be preconditions. The Armenian
diplomacy registered a progress. The U.S., Russia and the European
Union accepted those proposals which Serge Sargsyan made. Armenia
got what it wanted. The president initiated public discussions as
well as a meeting with party leaders.

Sharmazanov understands the ARF opinions but he cannot understand those
who once were against the internationality of the genocide issue. It
is surprising for Sharmazanov when people dwell on a betrayal in
connection with the genocide issue when the president said it cannot
be a topic of compromise.

Sharmazanov also stated that in connection with the Karabakh issue
any precondition is unacceptable for us. There must not be ultimatums
in this case Armenia may impose preconditions too.

According to the parliamentarian, the Republican Party will not go
on compromises only if the Karabakhi forces preserve the Karabakh
security, Karabakh cannot be independent within the composition of
Azerbaijan and Karabakh has to have land connection with Armenia.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Idiot because he wants peace with all countries..?

No he is a idiot because restoring the empire inherently does not allow peace with its neighbors.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

http://www.armenialiberty.org/content/article/1828694.html

Armenia — Former Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian criticizes Turkish-Armenian agreements in a speech, 22Sep2009


Former Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian subjected Armenia’s fence-mending agreements with Turkey to harsh criticism on Tuesday, saying that Yerevan is giving the Turks “everything they have wanted for 17 years” and gaining very little in return.

In an emotional speech, Oskanian echoed the arguments of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) and other vocal opponents of the deal. He rejected government assurances that it calls for an unconditional normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations.

“The document on diplomatic relations with Turkey that we are to sign should lay the groundwork for long-term good-neighborly relations,” he said. “It should enable the two parties to sit down and frankly talk to each other about both the past and the future. But the existing document does not allow for that. In fact, it precludes such discussions.”

Like other critics, Oskanian singled out two controversial provisions of the draft Turkish-Armenian protocols on the establishment of diplomatic relations and reopening of the border between the two countries. One of them envisages the creation of a joint panel of experts that would look into the 1915 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.

The idea of such a study was first floated by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in a 2005 letter to then President Robert Kocharian. The latter effectively turned down the offer, saying that this and other issues of mutual concern should instead be tackled by a Turkish-Armenian inter-governmental commission.

The creation of such a commission is envisaged by one of the protocols that are expected to be signed by the two governments next month. One of its seven “sub-commissions” is to conduct an “impartial scientific examination of historical documents and archives.”

Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandian and other allies of President Serzh Sarkisian have said that the sub-commission would not seek to determine whether the Armenian massacres constituted a genocide. Critics, including Oskanian, insist, however, that Ankara will use the very existence of such a body to keep more countries from recognizing the genocide.

Oskanian also vehemently objected to another protocol provision that obliges Armenia to recognize its existing border with Turkey. “With one sentence, we completely cede our historical rights. We even close the possibility, no matter how formal, of restoring historical justice,” he said in remarks reflecting Dashnaktsutyun’s position on the issue.

The nationalist party believes that Armenia should eventually lay claim to formerly Armenian-populated areas in what is now eastern Turkey. While having no such territorial claims, the Kocharian administration, in which Oskanian served for ten years, avoided explicitly recognizing a 1921 treaty that set the current Turkish-Armenian frontier.

Speaking during an event organized by his Civilitas Foundation think-tank, Oskanian linked the perceived alarming developments in Yerevan’s dealings with Ankara to what he described as a lack of democracy in Armenia. “Unfortunately, our country is very far from being a democratic country,” he said. “And yet that’s what our future and security depend on. We have not made serious investments in strengthening our democratic institutions.”