Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

He isn't pissed off, he is "disappointed". I hate how they don't tie the history in the region as a result of WWI but rather insist on using wording like "waning days of the Ottoman Empire".

Not Adam Shiff, he is the one who never forgets to use the word Genocide.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Not Adam Shiff, he is the one who never forgets to use the word Genocide.

That's only because he has ten of thousands of Armenians in his district. He uses the language but only to please the people. I don't care what the scholars think, I want those in government and power who know very damn well exactly what happened during WWI to come out of the closet. That includes the US, Israel, UK and not just Turkey.

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

You still don’t get it, do you? These protocols exist just because the Superpowers give TO MUCH xxxx about the region….

So tell me this according to ur opinion,armenia should not open borders with turkey after the brake why of soviet union,no talks with them,demanding something that currently no one can implement,stay in our border locked land waiting for the great Mamigonyan to save us and lil prick ass countries like Georgia and Azeris keep mocking us.
What should we do?How we should approach turkey?
Dont forget if we archive the opening of the borders it will mean nothing more that going back to 1991 when armenia had open borders with them but Genocide still were something that Turkey did not admit.
Its just a step forward to restore the situation back in 1991 with difference that Armenia has already establish mechanism of some lvl at least.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

That's only because he has ten of thousands of Armenians in his district. He uses the language but only to please the people. I don't care what the scholars think, I want those in government and power who know very damn well exactly what happened during WWI to come out of the closet. That includes the US, Israel, UK and not just Turkey.

Yah you wish...
I too wish

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

So tell me this according to ur opinion,armenia should not open borders with turkey after the brake why of soviet union,no talks with them,demanding something that currently no one can implement,stay in our border locked land waiting for the great Mamigonyan to save us and lil prick ass countries like Georgia and Azeris keep mocking us.
What should we do?How we should approach turkey?
Dont forget if we archive the opening of the borders it will mean nothing more that going back to 1991 when armenia had open borders with them but Genocide still were something that Turkey did not admit.
Its just a step forward to restore the situation back in 1991 with difference that Armenia has already establish mechanism of some lvl at least.

offfff..... I will let some one else explain that to you... I am tired, what about Federate? Ask him

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

offfff..... I will let some one else explain that to you... I am tired, what about Federate? Ask him

Axper i dont ask the help of any one to say my opinion,so if u like to promote ur views do it ur self,cause from yesterday the only thing u where saying is no open borders no relation xxxx it all.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Axper i dont ask the help of any one to say my opinion,so if u like to promote ur views do it ur self,cause from yesterday the only thing u where saying is no open borders no relation xxxx it all.

That is your problem; you should first understand the subject than express any opinion. What you are doing is exactly in contrary. That why I recommended you to ask someone (not me) to explain you what is going on so you could have an FOUNDED opinion.
What about my opinion it is very clearly expressed in statement of my Party (in this case my opinion is very much the same as official Dashnaks opinion), so you can read it in newspapers or even in this forum.

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

That is your problem; you should first understand the subject than express any opinion. What you are doing is exactly in contrary. That why I recommended you to ask someone (not me) to explain you what is going on so you could have an FOUNDED opinion.

What i dont understand the subject or u that failed to answer my questions,all of ur answers where"u are fool" "u are idiot" "u read propaganda" "Government are working for turkey" "Governent lie" "All lie".
And every person that say something like it would benefit to open borders u call them what ow yes IDIOTS.

Stop being child will ya.Find at least dashnak view point and present them or else this is not a personal blog for u dont like it go somewhere else.

I will 100% admit that i am wrong if u for once bring me facts or strong points of ur view.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

What i dont understand the subject or u that failed to answer my questions,all of ur answers where"u are fool" "u are idiot" "u read propaganda" "Government are working for turkey" "Governent lie" "All lie".
And every person that say something like it would benefit to open borders u call them what ow yes IDIOTS.

Stop being child will ya.Find at least dashnak view point and present them or else this is not a personal blog for u dont like it go somewhere else.

I will 100% admit that i am wrong if u for once bring me facts or strong points of ur view.

No you will not...
I have brought as much arguments as I found necessary, have explained you things on different levels (from normal to Syndrome of Down)
Didn’t help... so I do not think you are able to accept or admit anything. And actually I do not care much...

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

YEREVAN (Combined Sources)—The Armenian Revolutionary Federation, in a statement issued Tuesday, slammed the draft protocols for the establishment and development of relations between Turkey and Armenia, calling their provisions “dangerous.” The protocols were issued Monday by the foreign ministries of the two countries and Switzerland.

ARF Bureau member Hrant Markarian denounced the protocols as “unacceptable,” in an interview with RFE/RL.

“I regret that our president is going to sign a document he has no right to sign,” Markarian told RFE/RL. “In the next two months we will do everything to inform the public about the essence of the agreement and issues hidden in it,” he said.

Markarian told RFE/RL that these concessions alone would not lead Ankara to reopen the Turkish-Armenian border. “I think it is a bit naïve to expect that state [Turkey] to subordinate Azerbaijan’s interests to its relations with Armenia,” he said. “Maybe there is another, hidden agreement whereby during the next two, three or six months the Karabakh conflict will be ‘solved.’ So [that means] all of Turkey’s three preconditions have been accepted.”

Upon the announcement of the protocols, the ARF Bureau and the Supreme Council of Armenia convened an emergency session and issued the following statement:

On August 31, 2009 protocols on the establishment and development of relations between the republics of Armenia and Turkey were officially announced.

Armenia and Armenians entered a new phase, which is encumbered with numerous threats and danger.

It was about these very concerns that the Armenian Revolutionary Federation continued to warn from the onset of the political process by intermittently expressing the following positions:

a. As neighboring states, Armenia and Turkey are bound to take steps to normalize relations. However, good neighborly relations can be established between the two countries only when Turkey recognized the Armenian Genocide and reestablishes the rights of the Armenian people. The establishment of relations without preconditions and lifting of the blockade were mere first steps.

b. The proposal by Armenia to establish relations without preconditions can be deemed a serious concession

c. It is unacceptable to establish relations with Turkey at the expense of our government’s sovereignty and viability, as well as the national rights of our future generations.

Based on these principles, the ARF on several occasions warned that Turkey is leveraging the entire process to benefit its own interests (impeding the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide effort, a pro-Azeri resolution to the Nargorno-Karabakh conflict) and is communicating with Armenia through obvious and veiled preconditions.

It is already evident that the published documents contain the well-known preconditions of the Turkish side. That is, to call into question the veracity of the Armenian Genocide and to invalidate the unwavering rights of the Armenian people. Furthermore, immediately following the release of the protocols, Turkey, through official statements, reiterated its third precondition: it will not undertake any steps that would contradict Azerbaijan’s interests. This means it is continuing to use the Karabakh issue as a precondition for the Armenia-Turkey process.

The ARF continues to insist that the foreign policy of Armenia has veered from its national doctrine and predictable developments will have irreversible consequences.

With these considerations, during this domestic deliberation stage, the ARF will utilize all means to expose the existing dangers within the protocols in an effort to neutralize them.

We call on the Armenian people and the political forces in Armenia to properly assess the Armenia-Turkey relations process with its negative consequences and, in the most unified manner, deter the possible irreversible losses.

Armenian Revolutionary Federation
September 1, 2009
Yerevan