Armenian Georgian Relations

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Well I think we should all hope a conflict doesn't arise. If it does, Azerbaijan will surely take the opprtunity and join in, with Armenia now at war with the nation that once gave it access to the Sea, I really don't see it being able to pull a 1 vs. 2.

About the Church, even though it is a historic structure and it's of course always nice to preserve such things, I really don't feel too much about it, what's really annoying is the treatment and obvious message of the Georgians towards Armenians.

I agree with you Muhaha. We are not looking for a conflict or a 'second front' if you will along with an excuse to label Armenia as an aggressor nation in the region. Having said that we will not sit idly by if discrimination of Armenians turns into open hostilities. In the meanwhile we must raise the issue of Armenian political prisoners in Georgia (like Vahagn Chakhalyan) who have been falsely accused and imprisoned for standing up for Armenian rights in Javakhk and throughout Georgia.

By the way, there is no "hatred of Georgia or Georgians" on my part, far from it, we are not the ones who are creating these problems and tensions. However as I noted, we will not permit this awful treatment of Armenian population and Armenian culture to escalate to a level that their very existence will be undermined.

[Muhaha]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

In light of the utterly chauvinistic policies of Georgians I do see a clash upcoming (sadly) and be sure to see Armenians fight just as hard for defense of Armenians in historic Armenian provinces and elsewhere as we did in Artsakh. I am not advocating war, but I have only seen anti-Armenian hostility on part of the Georgian government.

Georgian "gratitude" (like denying Mesrop Mashtots' role in creation of the alphabet, denying the Armenian roots of the Bagratid family that ruled Georgia for millennium, denying Armenian role in building up Tpghis-Tiflis-Tbilisi, and numerous cultural inputs into development of Georgian culture etc.) is nothing knew.

Well I think we should all hope a conflict doesn't arise. If it does, Azerbaijan will surely take the opprtunity and join in, with Armenia now at war with the nation that once gave it access to the Sea, I really don't see it being able to pull a 1 vs. 2.

About the Church, even though it is a historic structure and it's of course always nice to preserve such things, I really don't feel too much about it, what's really annoying is the treatment and obvious message of the Georgians towards Armenians.

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

In light of the utterly chauvinistic policies of Georgians I do see a clash upcoming (sadly) and be sure to see Armenians fight just as hard for defense of Armenians in historic Armenian provinces and elsewhere as we did in Artsakh. I am not advocating war, but I have only seen anti-Armenian hostility on part of the Georgian government.

Georgian "gratitude" (like denying Mesrop Mashtots' role in creation of the alphabet, denying the Armenian roots of the Bagratid family that ruled Georgia for millennium, denying Armenian role in building up Tpghis-Tiflis-Tbilisi, and numerous cultural inputs into development of Georgian culture etc.) is nothing new.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Ամօթ Հայաստանի կառավարութեան որ ոչ մի բողոք չի ուղղարկում Վրաստանի կառավարութեան. ընդհակարակը շքանշան կու տայ Միխայիլ Սաակաշվիլիին երբ նոյն ժամանակ մեր հայկական եկեղեցիները կամ քանդւում են կամ ել վրացները կը «վրացնեն»։
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Dome of 14th Century Armenian Church in Tbilisi Comes Crashing Down
[ 2009/11/19 | 17:23 ] important diaspora
Kristine Aghalaryan



Today, at approximately 4 am, the cupola of the 14th century Saint Gevork Armenian Church in Tbilisi came crashing down. Saint Gevork was a working church up till the 1930’s and was used as a supply depot for the Georgian National Museum till the early 1990’s. Due to its precarious condition, the church stopped being used for any purpose.

St. Gevork is one of the six Armenian churches in Georgia whose legal title is still in question and has not been returned to the jurisdiction of the Armenian Diocese.



Mikayel Avagyan, Assistant to the Armenian Primate of Georgia, told “Hetq” that church officials have visited the accident site and have informed the Mother See of Etchmiadzin of the situation. Mr. Avagyan said that the large dome came crashing down into the church’s interior section.

“Hetq” tried to contact the Mother See for further details but no one answered the phone at the press office.



In a statement issued by the Armenian Diocese of Georgia, responsibility for the accident is laid at the feet of the Georgian Ministry for Culture and Monuments Preservation, arguing that the church fell under its jurisdiction.



“All this leaves the impression that the Primate of Georgia and the Georgian government, not resolving the return of the churches to us and not paying attention to their preservation, have set about to purposefully destroy our important cultural monuments,” reads the statement of the Armenian Diocese.

http://hetq.am/en/diaspora/surb-gevorg/

[Pazooki]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Georgia attempts to expel Armenians from Kvemo Kartli region

29.08.2009 13:54 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Following active protests and statements regarding Georgian authorities’ anti-Armenian policy in northern Lori (Kvemo Kartli), particularly waterline cutoff in Armenian village Damya, we observe certain progress, Edward Abramyan, expert at Mitk analytical centre, told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. To prevent conflicts between Armenian and Georgians residing in villages, officials from Marneul region are carrying out visits to the region to understand the causes of waterline cutoff.

“Despite such spontaneous interest, Georgia does not pursue positive plans in the long-run. Particularly, under Tbilisi’s direct instruction, several Georgian marionettes with Azerbaijani origins attempt to incite tension between local Armenians and Azeris so as to distract both nations’ attention from Georgia’s on-going anti-Armenian and anti-Azerbaijani policy. In that regard, we attach more importance not only to the Armenian public-political organizations’ visits to inhabited areas but also the voiced questions regarding Armenian frontier villages of Kvemo Kartli. In the meantime, we add that some Azeri marionettes like Abiala Askerov, leader of Azeris’ Popular Movement in Georgia, has already flooded Azerbaijani press with anti-Armenian statements,” expert stressed.

Askerov reported to Azerbaijan’s Trend News agency that several water reservoirs were constructed by the assistance of donor organizations. “On behalf the region’s Armenian population, I’d like to ask Mr. Askerov’s where those facilities are. Besides, I don’t understand why Azeri media have not so far published their corrupt activist’s statement in that regard. Alibalah Askerov is known to have actively supported Georgia in populating Kvemo Kartli with Georgians. In the 1990s, Askerov had relationship ties with Head of National Security Service in Kazakh region, Azerbaijan. He and Askerov were actively engaged in arms trade. They sold arms and armament to Armenians, namely, ‘Armenian National Army’ which used to fight for Karabakh’s freedom and independence. Besides, Askerov has his arms blood-stained up to the elbows. Receiving his Georgian bosses’ approval, he ordered the murder of 6 Armenian activists who were set on fire in a car near the Azerbaijani village of Saral. This was followed by the arrest of Smbat Urumyan, Head of ‘Armenian National Army’s’ regional organization, who wanted to take revenge for such heinous crime. However, considering several factors, organization’s leadership closed eyes to all that. Hence, Alibala Askerov owes much to Armenian side for its tolerance.”

http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=35676

[Joseph]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Do you guys think Russia would peacefully allow for such a thing?

I think Russia has big plans for Georgia.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Do you guys think Russia would peacefully allow for such a thing?

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Expert: Georgia to vanish from world map


“Georgia is recently concerned about the problems with Azerbaijan that might lead to Azerbaijani-Georgian conflict,” Haykazun Alvrtsyan stated at August 18 press conference on Armenian-Georgian issues.

He considers Georgian Kvemo Kartli (in the essence North Lori region of Armenia) is nearly fully inhabited by Azeris.

“The number of Borchalu Turks increased to the extent that soon they will number as much as Tbilisi, Tsalka, Javakhk population and shortly also Ardahan (region in Turkey). Turkey pressures Georgia that jeopardizes Javakhk too,” Alvrtsyan said.

According to the expert, Georgia carried out open-door policy for Turks, ousting Armenians from those regions for decades. “Azeris not only lays claims to this territory, but also speaks out loudly. Georgians will be unable to offer rebuff to Turks,” the expert supposes.

Georgia is going to face the regular dismemberment and the hazard to vanish form the world map.

“If Georgia loses Kvemo Kartli and Javakhk that links Turkey and Azerbaijan, Armenia will be entirely locked. Georgia will deprive of two vital military and economic regions, becoming a minor country. It will have no chances of resuming influence as dominating country in the region,” Alvrtsyan concluded.

http://news.am/en/news/2719.html

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Let them stop neglecting and repressing Javakh if they're that crazy about being fuzzy wuzzy with us.

Because I doubt they would want to go that far, simply because their relations are tense does not mean it won't crawl back to its former allies eventually.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Let them stop neglecting and repressing Javakh if they're that crazy about being fuzzy wuzzy with us.