Elections in Armenia

[Lernakan]

Re: Elections in Armenia

One of the issues humans have is their ability to forget the past which leads to them repeating their own mistakes over and over again.....

Very good posts again Haykakan, you're right history keeps repeating itself because humanity doesn't learn from its past (mistakes). Hell most people don't even learn from their own mistakes let alone take lessons from history.

Inch verabervum e "pisik" kochecyalin im karciqov aveli lav e iren ayspes asac "bani tex chdnes". Iharke du lav gites baic inchkan ira gracnerin patasxanes inchkan shat iren arit ktas vor himar himar durs ta. Ari chmorananq vor inq@ hay chi ev henc ayt pacharov ira sirt@ chi karox caval Hayastani hamar inchpes mer sirt@, inq@ inchqan el uzi chi karox haskana te mer erkri hamar vorne chisht zarganalu chanaparh@ baic menq karoxenq ayt chanaparh@ gtnel ev ayt chanaparh@ gtnelu iravunq@ miayn mer@na!
Ev im karciqov inq@ nuynisk iravunq chuni xosa dra masin. Iren petqe pahi inchpes huyr@ iren kpahi urishi tan@. Hima aynpes tpavorutyun e toxnum te karces inq@ mi shat "zargacac" andz e yev ekel e vor mez mi erku ban sovoracni...amot iren ev iren hargox hayerin!
Yev ete nkates inq@ erbeq ko gracnerin chi patasxanum, du mi ban es asum inq@ lriv urish ban a patasxanum.
Te inq@ inch gorc uni stex es chgitem, ev inchi ays forumi "moderatorner@" ira handep hatuk verabermunq en cuyc talis da el chem haskanum. Qani anqam eghel e vor inq@ urishin anhargel e ev nuynisk hayhoyel baic iren erbeq ban chen asel isk hakarak depqum anhnarin er ban chasein. Iharke sa chi verabervum mer Enker (mecatarov!) "Federate" in.
Sranic avel ban chem asi et "pisik"i masin inq@ arzhani chi tekuc mi varkyan mer kyanqic korcnenq ira hamar.


About the protests, just listen to the golden words spoken by Arthur Meschian in 1991 and which still apply to this day. I think you'll like it and you probably think the same as he does about these things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcF0doK0KlY

P.S. I changed the link of the birdman to the one I wanted to post about raffiks visit to the marzes. You can watch that one too if you want.

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

aveli lav e iren ayspes asac "bani tex chdnes". Iharke du lav gites baic inchkan ira gracnerin patasxanes inchkan shat iren arit ktas vor himar himar durs ta.

mer metch abooshair meian hayastani kesh panair goozen asel. yev odarnar gan vor hay chen pitz goozen vor gardzes vor hay en!

forumi "moderatorner@" ira handep hatuk verabermunq en cuyc talis da el chem haskanum. Qani anqam eghel e vor ink@ urishin anhargel e ev nuynisk hayhoyel baic iren erbeq ban chen asel isk hakarak depqum anhnarin er ban chasein

Arten kani had hay ban erin yev us eshin bahetzin. Yegoor me havadar vor modnair hed tzerk tzerki pernadz en.

You know I love Meschian, the first time I heard Oor ess asdvatz!

Ter mer hamar asdvatz hok che dar vorov menk hayastani vera ge tooknekgor! Yete hayair hayastani vera ge tooknen, menk azdavatzen inch gespasenkgor?

[Vrej1915]

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ARF LEADER VISITS HUNGER STRIKING HOVANNISIAN

ARF leader Vahan Hovennesian meets with opposition leader Raffi
Hovannisian in Liberty Square

YEREVAN-Armenian Revolutionary Federation Parliamentary bloc and
Bureau member Vahan Hovanessian visited Raffi Hovannisian on Freedom
Square Tuesday to express solidarity with the opposition leader,
two days after the latter started a hunger strike.

Vahan Hovanessian had a brief conversation-not audible to
journalists-with Raffi Hovannisian, telling journalists surrounding
them, "I am not here to see you."

But when asked what he thought about Raffi Hovannisian's hunger strike,
the ARF leader said, "That, I can tell you. I think this is taking
it to an extreme. Everything aside, Mr. Hovannisian has earned a
large number of votes. I don't think all avenues of struggle were
exhausted. This is my honest conviction."

He added, "Of course, I am not here to give lessons or advice; I am
here to express my solidarity. But I would have loved to express that
solidarity in other arenas, and not here."

Asked what else Hovannisian could have done, the ARF Bureau member
said that his party has answered that question repeatedly.

The ARF argues that regime change can be accomplished gradually,
starting with the Yerevan municipal elections in May. Negotiations
between opposition parties to form an opposition front in recent days
have not yielded concrete results yet.

On March 10, Raffi Hovannisian said during a rally that on April 9,
Serzh Sarkisian will be sworn in as president "over my dead body,"
adding that he will start a hunger strike on Freedom Square.

"If on April 9, Sarkisian takes his fake oath on the Holy Bible,
and if the Catholicos desecrates the Bible and blesses the candidate
[Sarkisian] who mocks the people, then that will happen over my dead
body," he had said.

Raffi Hovannisian has since remained on Freedom Square, where several
political leaders and thousands of supporters have visited him to
express solidarity with the barevolution leader.

On Tuesday afternoon, Hovannisian held a press conference. Regarding
his foreign policy priorities, Hovannisian stated that he is against
integration into the Eurasian Customs Union. "This does not imply
that Armenia should not develop relations with Asian countries and
the East," Hovannisian said. "Such relations should be forged over
a different path."

Reflecting on a proposal made by another opposition figure Aram
Sargsyan who suggested that opposition groups in Parliament relinquish
their mandates, Hovannisian said that no such necessity will arise
if Armenia holds snap parliamentary elections.

Asked about the prospect of Sarkisian visiting him at Liberty Square,
Hovannisian declared that he has nothing left to say to Mr. Sarkisian
but is willing to "meet and listen to him with respect."

Meanwhile the Constitutional Court of Armenia continued hearings
on the appeal against the official results of Armenia's February 18
presidential election. The next session will convene tomorrow.

On Wednesday, Heritage Party board Vice-President Armen Martirosyan
will hold a press conference at noon, and Raffi Hovannisian will hold
a press conference at 5 pm.

http://asbarez.com/108748/arf-leader-visits-hunger-striking-hovannisian/

[Vrej1915]

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1,6 MILLION VOTER TURNOUT IN ARMENIA'S PRESIDENTIAL POLL UNREAL, ARTAK ZEYNALYAN SAYS

TERT.AM
10:42 ~U 13.03.13

The 1,6 million voter turnout in Armenia's presidential elections is
the most obvious argument that election results have been rigged with
no one believing in them, 'Rule of Law' NGO chairman Artak Zeynalyan
said, speaking to Tert.am.

"We do not believe, people do not believe. In other words, the 1,6
voter turnout is unreal number," he said.

In his words the 2003 elections saw the biggest voter turnout in
Armenia's history with Stepan Demirtchyan and Robert Kocharyan running
for presidency. "In such conditions the authorities showed 900,000
voter turnout. A question rises was it more this time or less? All
know, all have seen the first round of the 2003 elections, the voter
turnout was the highest and now we are being told that this time
1,600,000 voter turnout has been registered," he said, adding that the
voter turnout was not big, with the rest being the issue of lawyers.

"Let them formulate and present people whether it is right or not,"
he said, stressing that in any case they have no right to demonstrate
mechanical approach in the process of appeal of the elections.

"In general the usage of election right must not be mechanical, the
important thing is public's perception. People are not being guided
by court ruling in Armenia," he stressed.

Referring to the statement of the chairman of the Central Election
Commission Tigran Mukuchyan that the Constitutional Court has never
examined such groundless application, Zeynalyan first said as far as
he was the author of previous applications, it would be wrong for him
to comment on, but said there is no difference as the CC has always
made the same ruling.

"If Mr Mukuchyan says it is less grounded, consequently the others were
more grounded or very grounded while the ruling was the same," he said.

Following the whole judicial process, Zeynalyan said the opposition
should get prepared for appealing the election results at the CC
before the elections.

[Vrej1915]

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COMMANDOS: "RAFFI AND HIS TEAM ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING."

http://lurer.com/?p=84230&l=en

2013-03-13 12:52:14

Former candidate for presidency, the leader of "Heritage" party Raffi
Hovhannisyan contines his hunger strike at Loiberty Square in Yerevan.

Hovannisian is periodically visited by his allies, party friends,
politicians and cultural figures.

Political developments in Armenia brought into the political arena
representatives almost of all shperes, all were quick to express
their opinion about the events unfolding in Armenia.

Lurer.com talked to Artsakh war hero, Major General Arkady
Ter-Tadevosyan (Commandos). Ter-Tadevosyan said he did not wish to
comment on the created political situation, to assess, since the
estimates are given by those who are well-informed in this area. He
also did not want to comment on his friends' actions.

"Raffi and his team are well aware of what they are doing. Both on
this side, and on the other are my friends, I do not want to say
anything to anyone", Commandos said.

Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan wished only peace and a peaceful outcome in
the created political situation.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Elections in Armenia

COMMANDOS: "RAFFI AND HIS TEAM ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING."

http://lurer.com/?p=84230&l=en

2013-03-13 12:52:14

Former candidate for presidency, the leader of "Heritage" party Raffi
Hovhannisyan contines his hunger strike at Loiberty Square in Yerevan.

Hovannisian is periodically visited by his allies, party friends,
politicians and cultural figures.

Political developments in Armenia brought into the political arena
representatives almost of all shperes, all were quick to express
their opinion about the events unfolding in Armenia.

Lurer.com talked to Artsakh war hero, Major General Arkady
Ter-Tadevosyan (Commandos). Ter-Tadevosyan said he did not wish to
comment on the created political situation, to assess, since the
estimates are given by those who are well-informed in this area. He
also did not want to comment on his friends' actions.

"Raffi and his team are well aware of what they are doing. Both on
this side, and on the other are my friends, I do not want to say
anything to anyone", Commandos said.

Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan wished only peace and a peaceful outcome in
the created political situation.

[Hakob]

Re: Elections in Armenia

One of the issues humans have is their ability to forget the past which leads to them repeating their own mistakes over and over again. This same kind of atmosphere was in place when the armenians demanded independence from the soviet union decades ago yet here we are after all that time and the living standards of the citizens of Armenia are still not at the levels they were during soviet times. People gave the exact same arguments then that the kitty is giving now yet somehow all these promises of freedom and democracy never materialize. Could it be due to some bad luck(hay baght) or perhaps it is due to the fact that such things do not exist to begin with? Just ask the citizens of the most powerful democracy the world has ever known about how content they are about their government. You guys just dont seem to get it-free and fair elections mean nothing if people are hungry. If you are upset about the oligarchs then you need to become more of a socialist country because regardless of what you do capitalism always concentrates wealth in a uneven manner even in countries people here like to use as examples like the scandanavian countries. There is a hierarchy of human needs which need to be adressed in that order or else the efforts to adress higher needs without addressing the basic ones will be futile. People worry about putting food on the family table, warming their homes, and being safe first before they start caring if their votes count or not. I keep saying that Armenia cannot guerantee her own security but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. If you cannot guarentee the security of your own people then you cannot progress and effectively address the higher needs. You guys seem to think that Armenia can do it all without worrying about the very basic issue of security and as always such assumptions are dead wrong just like history has so painfully proven to us the armenians over and over and over again. But hey look everybody else is going for democracy so we have to do it to, o and look everybody else is going for capitalism so we have to do it to..its the typical bandwagon jumper mentality that all humans share and the reason why we will always keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again and again and again..Individual freedom is meaningless to a guy that is dead or starving and if you think Armenia is very far from being dead or starving then you need to take your rosy sunglasses off because if the likes of Raffi finely convince the russians to forget about Armenia then the dreams of the the lot called Talat and Envir will finely come true - the only armenian will indeed be in a museum but he wont be called an armenian he will be called the long lost ancestor of the turk. Bell you are right - armenians do have a diaspora and will leave for it but you are wrong about why they leave. They do not leave because they didnt want to try-they leave because reality is grim. These people survived war, hunger, cold, earthquake, thieves and traitors.. yet they still did not get security or even the lives they once had decades ago. Its not so easy to leave the place you call home-the place of your ancestors-the city with that beutifull mountain which seems so close yet lies so far from reach. If you want meaningful change you will have to change the economic system otherwise people will be saying the same ccrap about Raffi as they are saying about Serj now in the not too distant future. The older you get the more you start to realize that history repeats itself and if you do not want another genocide or to lose our homeland yet again then you have to do something different this time. Jumping on the bandwagon doesnt work-you eventually need to settle down and build. If Raffi was a builder-a man who wanted to make real change which would better the lives of the people in Armenia then i would be all for him being elected but looking at Raffi is just like looking at Obama or Romney-people obssessed with power and themselves, who will stop at nothing to get what they want regardless of how many must be killed or jailed or robbed.. The diaspora is a blind man and now the blind man wants to lead the country. I think you can figure out how this one is going to end even before it begins.

Well said, Haykakan.
3 weeks ago, I was hoping that Raffi would shape new opposition that pulls up it's sleeves and works to counterbalance the ruling party and some of it's oigarkhs in pariament or any other local governing body. But it seems his play is just the same old opposition game in just more polite outfit.
there is a talk of opposition members resigning in parliament. How stupid. The same old mentality. "I don't care what happens with government if I am not in power."
Political strugle in the name of politics.
Rafi's words sometimes resemble halucinations. He is not just throwing it on to Serj but all the other world leaders.
Yerevan city elections are near and opposition can't get up from the benches yet.
More and more theese liberals look like snake oil sellers peddling thier magic pills on the streets...

[Vrej1915]

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PRO-GOVERNMENT SINGER POSTPONES CONCERT IN GYUMRI OVER POSSIBLE PROTEST

http://www.armenianow.com/arts_and_culture/44372/armenia_republican_shushan_petrosyan_singer_concert_gyumri

ARTS AND CULTURE | 13.03.13 | 10:48

Singer Shushan Petrosyan, a lawmaker with the ruling Republican Party
of Armenia (RPA), who has been on fire over her controversial remarks
about last month~Rs presidential election, has postponed her concert
in Gyumri that was originally scheduled for March 13 to avoid clashes.

During a televised talk show earlier this month Petrosyan accused
Gyumri residents of being dishonest. She hinted that voters in the
second largest city of Armenia should have voted for the candidate they
had taken bribes for instead of casting their votes to the opposition.

Opposition leader Raffi Hovannisian garnered a nearly 70 percent
support among Gyumri residents in the February 18 ballot, as opposed
to only 27 percent won by incumbent President Serzh Sargsyan, the
leader of the RPA.

The comment made during a prime-time television show on Kentron
TV caused a great controversy on Facebook and other online social
networking sites, with most people condemning such behavior.

~SIt is not my problem. I would not like clashes, no matter ten people
or more attend my concerts,~T Petrosyan told Tert.am.

~SI know 13 people plan a meeting for tomorrow. I think clashes are
inevitable with such public sentiments. So I should postpone the
concert until people are more tranquil,~T the singer said.

A civil movement in Gyumri was reportedly going to hold a protest
against Petrosyan~Rs concert in Armenia~Rs second largest city on
Wednesday.

This is not the first time Petrosyan cancels a public event. Last
Friday she refused, at the last moment, to be a guest of a popular
Facebook conference with RFE/RL~Rs Armenian Service. It was not clear
whether she made the decision in view of the multitude of questions
sent in by Facebook users regarding her controversial statement.

[Haykakan]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Urakhem vor ko nman haskatsogh martik kan mer metch. Yes pisiki masin urish kartsik unem. Yes chgitem te enk hayeri handep ench mitker uni kam chuni vorhovetev enk misht pahuma era eskakan mitker meznits. Nuin zhamanak pisiki grvatsner ais forumum yes hashvumem shat ogtakar. Chiste vor shat era gratsner batsi hayerin aki tak ktseluts urish ban chen nerkaiatsnum bait meyevnuin zamanak na asume baner vor erok voch meain chisten baits vor meznits shater cheinel mtazi ait baneri masin yete na chgrer drants masin. Pisik khelatsi marte yeh shat baner giti mer patmutsian yev erakanutian masin vor ankam meznits shater chigeten. Yes hashvumem vor nra het zrutsel bavakanin artsunabere vorhovetev nra het vechelu hamar du petk unes arach lav mtatsel yev ais der vor enk khakhume ais forumum yes hashvumem vor bavakan karevore kani vor na steepume mez mtatsel. Te na erok lav kam vat banere maghtum hayerin kamel bnav hog chuni te Hayastan vagh klini te che yes erok chgitem baits da che nshanakum vor enk aistegh karevor der chi ghaghum.
As for Meschian i think he is the armenian Vysotsky and i loved listening to Vysotsky since i was a kid.
I will chek out your other vid and i am happy to see you contributing here.

Very good posts again Haykakan, you're right history keeps repeating itself because humanity doesn't learn from its past (mistakes). Hell most people don't even learn from their own mistakes let alone take lessons from history.

Inch verabervum e "pisik" kochecyalin im karciqov aveli lav e iren ayspes asac "bani tex chdnes". Iharke du lav gites baic inchkan ira gracnerin patasxanes inchkan shat iren arit ktas vor himar himar durs ta. Ari chmorananq vor inq@ hay chi ev henc ayt pacharov ira sirt@ chi karox caval Hayastani hamar inchpes mer sirt@, inq@ inchqan el uzi chi karox haskana te mer erkri hamar vorne chisht zarganalu chanaparh@ baic menq karoxenq ayt chanaparh@ gtnel ev ayt chanaparh@ gtnelu iravunq@ miayn mer@na!
Ev im karciqov inq@ nuynisk iravunq chuni xosa dra masin. Iren petqe pahi inchpes huyr@ iren kpahi urishi tan@. Hima aynpes tpavorutyun e toxnum te karces inq@ mi shat "zargacac" andz e yev ekel e vor mez mi erku ban sovoracni...amot iren ev iren hargox hayerin!
Yev ete nkates inq@ erbeq ko gracnerin chi patasxanum, du mi ban es asum inq@ lriv urish ban a patasxanum.
Te inq@ inch gorc uni stex es chgitem, ev inchi ays forumi "moderatorner@" ira handep hatuk verabermunq en cuyc talis da el chem haskanum. Qani anqam eghel e vor inq@ urishin anhargel e ev nuynisk hayhoyel baic iren erbeq ban chen asel isk hakarak depqum anhnarin er ban chasein. Iharke sa chi verabervum mer Enker (mecatarov!) "Federate" in.
Sranic avel ban chem asi et "pisik"i masin inq@ arzhani chi tekuc mi varkyan mer kyanqic korcnenq ira hamar.


About the protests, just listen to the golden words spoken by Arthur Meschian in 1991 and which still apply to this day. I think you'll like it and you probably think the same as he does about these things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcF0doK0KlY

P.S. I changed the link of the birdman to the one I wanted to post about raffiks visit to the marzes. You can watch that one too if you want.

[Haykakan]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Yeh Raffi seems to be a hollow plastic doll with nothing much to offer becides a screaming voice. What is his national security policy? What is his economic policy? How does he plan to build a nation? Screaming won't get any of these things done and i bet even his strongest supporters do not know what his policies are regarding these issues ( i wonder if he himself knows). You cant just support someone because he is diasporan or because he is against the present system or because he is loud..you need to judge a man by his substance - what are his ideas and plans and do they make sense for the purpose they are intended to serve? I have seen nothing about how Raffi plans on protecting Armenia from the hoards of Turks around us after he spits in Russias face. This is the recklessness that is unforgivable and truely identifies a fraud because a man who really cares about the people he wants to govern would never put them under such a dangerous scenario. This line of reckless behavior is inline with the dashnak ways of doing things and it comes as no surprise that he is in constant collaboration with them.

Well said, Haykakan.
3 weeks ago, I was hoping that Raffi would shape new opposition that pulls up it's sleeves and works to counterbalance the ruling party and some of it's oigarkhs in pariament or any other local governing body. But it seems his play is just the same old opposition game in just more polite outfit.
there is a talk of opposition members resigning in parliament. How stupid. The same old mentality. "I don't care what happens with government if I am not in power."
Political strugle in the name of politics.
Rafi's words sometimes resemble halucinations. He is not just throwing it on to Serj but all the other world leaders.
Yerevan city elections are near and opposition can't get up from the benches yet.
More and more theese liberals look like snake oil sellers peddling thier magic pills on the streets...