Elections in Armenia

[Sarkis86]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Keep on with your personal attacks guys and you will be banned. If you disagree with bell, do disagree in clean, respectful language, with his points next time.

Where was this attention to detail on personal attacks when I got called a turk like 5 times by at least two different posters, not to mention a psycho and neo-nazi. If you're going delete a post where I call a forum member who exhibits trolling behavior a troll, at least issue a warning when others insult me.

[jgk3]

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Keep on with your personal attacks guys and you will be banned. If you disagree with bell, do disagree in clean, respectful language, with his points next time.

[bell-the-cat]

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That may sometimes be the case. But if you're Russia, and Armenia is your last ally in the geopolitically crucial South Caucasus region, and the country is now stable and secure in the Russian orbit, and the threat of another March 2008 "color revolution/Armenian Spring" has been neutralized, and your ally Serj Sarkisyan is set to win reelection smoothly, and the Russian Armed Forces and Russian Intelligence are integrated with Armenia's state security structures to the point where a western-dictated revolution would be crushed instantaneously, and you have your hands full with the west's war against Syria, and the west's aggressive efforts to remilitarize the Russian border with Eastern Europe with missiles and anti-missile systems... Would Russia really benefit from rocking the boat in Armenia?

It seems unlikely. Russia wouldn't make a saakashvili-caliber miscalculation like shooting at a candidate like Hayrikyan, who is less than a "Ross Perot" in the Armenian political world in terms of his influence and electability. The more logical explanation seems to be that someone, somewhere was interested in causing chaos in Armenia during election season. That would benefit the west (which wants to overthrow the Sarkisyan government, set up a puppet like saakashvili in Yerevan, kick the Russians out and surrender Artsakh to azerbaijan in order to clear the way for more gas pipelines from the Caspian through Armenia to turkey bypassing Russia), azerbaijan/turkey (which just want Armenia weakened from internal chaos so they can finish what they set out to do in 1915) and israel (which, due to severe psychologicla defects, eyes Iran-friedndly Armenia as an enemy).

But Putin is a petulant, paranoid, spoilt-brat kid. It does not matter to him if there exist large amounts of dissent or just little bits of insignificant dissent - they are all the same to Putin: all dissent must be crushed.

I don't mean Putin personally ordered it - it is more likely agents in Armenia doing what they assume Russia would approve of. Hayrikyan is a nobody outside of Armenia, and only a minor somebody inside it. Of course, it could be Hayrikyan just pissed-off some local oligarch in some trivial way and that was enough to get shot.

[Haykakan]

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Serj has probably accomplished more positive things in one term then any of our other presidents. He has accomplished things i thought could not be done (tiptoeing the line between east and west) successfully. It seems the opposition to Serj is on vacation this term. What i do fear is a big war in the region engulfing Armenia.

[Sarkis86]

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Looks like President Sarkisyan, in a display of true leadership, visited Hayrikyan in the hospital. So has Prime Minister Tigran Sarkisyan. No one from Armenia's treasonous CIA-controlled opposition has bothered to show up, apart from radical former PM and doom-and-gloom economist Hrant Bagratyan (this guy always has something negative to say about Armenia, he claims that government statistics are outright lies and the country is doomed despite the fact that much progress can be seen in the country since the fall of LTP). Anyway none of the "name-brand" sell-outs like ter-petrosyan, hovannisian or oskanoglu have bothered to show up. Is their silence and hesitation a sign of guilt or complicity? Also notable is that former President Kocharyan has been silent as well, although unlike LTP Kocharyan has been out of political scene for the most part since his term ended in 2008 except for a few vague and generalized comments, so it's not too surprising.

The confused entity called the ARF hasn't made any statements either, perhaps they were waiting for someone from the LTP camp to break the ice and blame Serj before they joined in, although their Armenia-bashing wh*re maria titizyan wrote a pointless article published in their various media outlets, and the diasporan ARF media is filled with commenters senselessly screaming for Serj's blood in a typical Pavlovian reaction to a tragedy occurring in Armenia. I honestly never thought I'd see the ARF ally itself with LTP, or pathetically kissing the *ss of raffi hovannisian even though hovannisian has rejected every attempt at an ARF-Heritage joint ticket in any of Armenia's elections over the last decade. This only goes to prove that "the party is a (dispensable) tool, the Fatherland is eternal".

As for Gagik Tsarukyan, the nominal head of the second largest party Prosperous Armenia, he seems to have washed his hands of politics. Too bad, I always liked hearing Armenia's wealthiest man giving away medical aid and tractors to poor citizens in isolated Armenian villages during campaign season. Too bad Tsarukyan let the trojan horse, criminal money launderer, and foreign agent vardan oskanian into the ranks of Prosperous Armenia before toning down his activities.

Bottom line here, I regret Hayrikyan got shot, and I'm glad he seems to be back on his feet. I respect him for not using the event as a tool for inciting the masses. Hayrikyan is clearly not an opportunist and an egomaniac like LTP (it also indicates he may be more naïve than one may think). And I respect Serj for sending a clear message that his administration does not approve of or tolerate political violence. We Armenians should be proud of Armenia today, because for all its faults and geopolitical limiting factors, tiny Armenia once again showed that it has more political civility and democracy (yes democracy) than most of the western countries which criticize it every chance they get. We may be witnessing an important stage in Armenia's slow and steady evolution and progression towards building a viable, modern state. Whoever was interested in causing chaos in Armenia may have inadvertently given Armenians cause to unite.

That being said, this latest incident also showed how vulnerable Armenia is to foreign intrigues. We were set up for another upheaval, we just managed to avoid the trap due to a poor shot and political maturity on the part of the victim and Armenia's leadership. Much like in 2008, the dark forces behind the assassination attempt will not stop until Armenians are rioting in the streets and the country is in ashes. They failed to achieve regime change in 2008 (in fact, the "Apricot Revolution" was the failure that stemmed the tide of those hideous "color revolutions" throughout the former USSR), and they failed to create a crisis today in 2013. Those outside forces must be seething with rage, they must be cursing the name Armenia which they just can't topple. We need to be prepared for the trick they will try to pull on the Armenian people.

[Artashes]

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That may sometimes be the case. But if you're Russia, and Armenia is your last ally in the geopolitically crucial South Caucasus region, and the country is now stable and secure in the Russian orbit, and the threat of another March 2008 "color revolution/Armenian Spring" has been neutralized, and your ally Serj Sarkisyan is set to win reelection smoothly, and the Russian Armed Forces and Russian Intelligence are integrated with Armenia's state security structures to the point where a western-dictated revolution would be crushed instantaneously, and you have your hands full with the west's war against Syria, and the west's aggressive efforts to remilitarize the Russian border with Eastern Europe with missiles and anti-missile systems... Would Russia really benefit from rocking the boat in Armenia?

It seems unlikely. Russia wouldn't make a saakashvili-caliber miscalculation like shooting at a candidate like Hayrikyan, who is less than a "Ross Perot" in the Armenian political world in terms of his influence and electability. The more logical explanation seems to be that someone, somewhere was interested in causing chaos in Armenia during election season. That would benefit the west (which wants to overthrow the Sarkisyan government, set up a puppet like saakashvili in Yerevan, kick the Russians out and surrender Artsakh to azerbaijan in order to clear the way for more gas pipelines from the Caspian through Armenia to turkey bypassing Russia), azerbaijan/turkey (which just want Armenia weakened from internal chaos so they can finish what they set out to do in 1915) and israel (which, due to severe psychologicla defects, eyes Iran-friedndly Armenia as an enemy).

In my opinion , the above post by Sarkis is a far better analysis than Bells ( hurt felling ) post / analysis .
Again , in my opinion the west / America ( my country ) has become nothing more than a thinly veiled front for the super ultra rich / multi national manipulator(s) .
America is HIGHLY aggressive in the slyist , yet blatant way , and operates 24/7 with some of the best minds , yet stupid mo fo's on the planet .
Extreme vigilance is needed --- beware ---
In my opinion , believe it or not --- truth , honesty , decency, coupled with plenty of capable weapons , and the determined resolve to use them is the only way to make the " tough guy " dance like a girl as they are doing now .
Artashes

[Sarkis86]

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You shoot one to "encourage" the others. You don't shoot those that might be in a position to be useful to you, you shoot those that will never be in a position to be useful but can be made an example for the others.

That may sometimes be the case. But if you're Russia, and Armenia is your last ally in the geopolitically crucial South Caucasus region, and the country is now stable and secure in the Russian orbit, and the threat of another March 2008 "color revolution/Armenian Spring" has been neutralized, and your ally Serj Sarkisyan is set to win reelection smoothly, and the Russian Armed Forces and Russian Intelligence are integrated with Armenia's state security structures to the point where a western-dictated revolution would be crushed instantaneously, and you have your hands full with the west's war against Syria, and the west's aggressive efforts to remilitarize the Russian border with Eastern Europe with missiles and anti-missile systems... Would Russia really benefit from rocking the boat in Armenia?

It seems unlikely. Russia wouldn't make a saakashvili-caliber miscalculation like shooting at a candidate like Hayrikyan, who is less than a "Ross Perot" in the Armenian political world in terms of his influence and electability. The more logical explanation seems to be that someone, somewhere was interested in causing chaos in Armenia during election season. That would benefit the west (which wants to overthrow the Sarkisyan government, set up a puppet like saakashvili in Yerevan, kick the Russians out and surrender Artsakh to azerbaijan in order to clear the way for more gas pipelines from the Caspian through Armenia to turkey bypassing Russia), azerbaijan/turkey (which just want Armenia weakened from internal chaos so they can finish what they set out to do in 1915) and israel (which, due to severe psychologicla defects, eyes Iran-friedndly Armenia as an enemy).

[Vahram]

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You shoot one to "encourage" the others. You don't shoot those that might be in a position to be useful to you, you shoot those that will never be in a position to be useful but can be made an example for the others.

Thank you for sharing how the Brits perform such acts. Very revealing indeed, I believe there was a book published by Yardly's of England on the subject matter....LOL

[bell-the-cat]

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Yeh right Russia wants to assasinate a guy who cant get 1% of the vote LOL.

You shoot one to "encourage" the others. You don't shoot those that might be in a position to be useful to you, you shoot those that will never be in a position to be useful but can be made an example for the others.

[Vahram]

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Oh wow the dude is up and walking about after two shots? I mean wow really how could this be? This is such comedy that if it was not so sad for Armenia I would be laughing my arse off! But he is up with a flesh wound at best, if it was not for using so much Ketchup you would have thought that he cut himself shaving!

Armo's you better wake up! Don't let simple cheap theatrics to get you to move your eyes off the ball! Keep them planted on the ball someone wants to play a fecking game! Meanwhile Armenia's image was tainted and they will milk this to the max while this idiot walks around? My god!

Was this idiot not breathing into a mask just yesterday? As if he was dying! Now he is walking around and talking bull again! I wonder what kind of meeting he had with the English Embassy b!tch? I bet they were like... Hi Max, the show is on for tonight, here are your two ketchup packets...ROTFLMOA