Elections in Armenia

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Wounded Armenian presidential candidate Paruyr Hayrikian has changed his mind, yet again, about asking for a delay in Armenia's February 18 presidential vote. After personally filing a request on February 10 with Armenia's Constitutional Court to postpone the vote by two weeks, he about-faced on February 11, when the Court was expected to discuss the appeal, and withdrew his petition.

How many times is this guy going to cancel then go ahead and then cancel the delay? How much more is this idiot going to milk this?

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/66536

[Serjik]

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@ Hakob

I agree with your words. The best thing to do is to open the Turkish border and regulate Turkish trade directly instead of the dealing with Georgian middlemen. In the end of the day we wont be having this silly conversation if Armenia joins the eurasian union. Armenias future is with Russia and the eurasian union.

You guys heard Paruyrs assassins got caught and non of them looks Russian imperialist LOL!

[Eddo211]

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I totally disagree.

As a negotiating tactic you never start to renegotiate a “universally” accepted fact.
The minute you start that you have lost the battle.

As an extreme example the minute you start ( or allow ) a debate that “you are not a fool” you are in deep trouble.
You would be tied in knots, you would not know what hit you.
Remember you are negotiating with your enemies who in turn have their own vested interest.

Well said.

Maybe some forget the bottom line of Turkish demands to open its border to Armenia:

-Give up Artsakh to Azeri Turks
-Forget about Genocide
-Recognize current borders as legal and give up any ideas of Western Armenia

Armenian President played his cards well and made a fool out of Erdogan.

[Hakob]

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We have clearly defined borders.

We have custom controls and personnel controlling it, not to forget that they have eyes.

We have also Government/Ministries who run the countries' affairs to its peoples advantage.

NOW

To say �how to regulate trade that does not exist� is misrepresentation.
These imports are not smuggled but openly enter the country.

If these imports were ( selectively ) not allowed into the country nobody would be able to complain....... since this trade does not exist !!!
It would be farcical for Turkey to complain about it.

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Theese imports are not coming from turkey. You cannot selectively forbid importing goods which are necessary for population. We don't have routes for chineese or european or any other imports. The business in Armenia naturally conducts the way all businesses do.
If you selectively block imports from any one of only 2 trading neighbors you put your internal market and consumers into shocks.
The only loosers will be not turks but your own people.
I still have a valid point. The only time you can have any influence on a competitor is to directly import and regulate it with them. If you allow importation from turkey then georgian and Iranian longer routes which are harder to limit, dry out for turkish goods. Then it is easier to restrict or regulate. Even with georgian or Iranian routes for same product.

[Vahram]

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Once this new railroad is built, the blockade issue will go away. In addition the military support from other nations will only increase as there is a lot of money at stake. Imagine Armenian GDP growing by 300% in a short timeframe just from having the free flow of goods. This is exactly what the West does not want, they want to put the pressure on our leaders so they can get their own leaders and oligarchs in place.

throwing pearls in front of swine

Where will the profits of this new Western supermarket go? Replace an Armenian owner with an odar and call it progress...LOL Now they are in the supermarket business as if the people of Armenia were in the streets demanding more supermarkets!

These New Liberals have nothing but holes in their ideas, a simply inability to see through the issues at hand.

[londontsi]

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I actually think that turkish economy does a lot of damage to ours allready. Since there are no official trade agreements or trading policies between us and turkey, now turkish exporters are flooding our markets without tariffs or any quotas tru Georgian route with impunity. Go see Armenian markets laden with turkish products. I say more that 50% of everything sold is turkish now. And our government or farmers can't do anything. How can you reguate a trade that doesn't officially exist? It comes all as georgia or Iran exports and our policy towards them is so to say, "dependent"?

We have clearly defined borders.

We have custom controls and personnel controlling it, not to forget that they have eyes.

We have also Government/Ministries who run the countries' affairs to its peoples advantage.

NOW

To say “how to regulate trade that does not exist” is misrepresentation.
These imports are not smuggled but openly enter the country.

If these imports were ( selectively ) not allowed into the country nobody would be able to complain....... since this trade does not exist !!!
It would be farcical for Turkey to complain about it.

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[londontsi]

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........Londontsi this was my last reply to you, thanks for reminding me why I hadn't visited this forum for a long time. I will refrain from replying to your mostly nonsense statements. All the best to you mate!

If I was the reason for you not visit the forum then you should complain to the moderators that “Londontsi is talking too much sense. I cannot handle it”.

My feeling about having any debate with you is very similar to yours.
I will also follow my statement and advice to you that debating anything that is universally accepted as fact, would give a field day to the contrarians.

However I feel I should answer two points which you made ( among others) which characterise your logic.

You're wrong again, Armenian products can be sold on the turkish market. The amount of exports from Armenia to turkey is very very small but it still happens. If I'm not mistaken we export small amounts of tobacco leaves and rubber to turkey. I think it doesn't even amount to 2 million dollars a year (I don't remember the real numbers) but it still happens. However you can find turkish goods everywhere in Armenia from toothpicks (just look at the label of the toothpicks used in many of the caf�'s near the opera) to washing machines, textiles etc. etc.

I found an article about this but it seems the exports amounted to 1 million dollars only (2010 figures):

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2666...egal-woes.html

From your referred article

Turkish exports to Armenia face some difficulties, too, but are nevertheless feasible. The main obstacle is an exclusion of Armenia from Turkey’s export destinations. To overcome this, Turkish drivers travel with two invoices. The first is for a third country (usually Georgia), to move the cargo out, and the second is for the actual destination, Armenia. It is plain to everybody, but the solution seems mutually acceptable. “Sure I know about some difficulties. To get over them, papers are modified in some way in Georgia.

You actually describe this type of activity "Armenian goods being (imported and ) sold in Turkey".
In anybody's book this is smuggling not import. Maybe one notch above smuggling contraband but smuggling all the same.

Please give me evidence of the criticism from the President........

!!!!

I do not have evidence to hand. I do not keep a dossier of his statements agreeable or disagreeable.
If you follow news from Armenian TV you would have heard it.

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[Hakob]

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Yes the man from Mars .... or the black man among the whites .... or maybe the Turk among the Armenians ....





Your genius did not manage to understand that we are dealing with an enemy.

Trying to draw a parallel by comparing the row (protectionism ) between the US and China is naive to say the least.

The aim of the row between the US and China is to create a more favourable environment to take advantage of each others trade.
Neither is trying to destroy the other nor can they if they tried.

As time has showed Turkey never gave up trying to get its own way or Azerbaijan's way.
The majority of the Nation saw it. The President did not. His mistake was so great that his own people were shouting at him “traitor”.
Can you imagine what a bad miscalculation that was.

Turkey effectively has ( commercially speaking) a protectionist policy towards Armenia.
It will not allow any Armenian goods to be sold in Turkey. So Armenia trades with Turkey in a “protectionist” environment.

Why does Armenia not laugh it off and “simply” put in place some laws to counter the situation.
This has been going on for nearly twenty years. What is holding it back?

P.S. I remember when large amounts of tomatoes were being imported from Turkey at cheaper prices concerned people started complaining.
The President’s comments was to criticize the complainants for being against the consumers getting cheaper products!!

I actually think that turkish economy does a lot of damage to ours allready. Since there are no official trade agreements or trading policies between us and turkey, now turkish exporters are flooding our markets without tariffs or any quotas tru Georgian route with impunity. Go see Armenian markets laden with turkish products. I say more that 50% of everything sold is turkish now. And our government or farmers can't do anything. How can you reguate a trade that doesn't officially exist? It comes all as georgia or Iran exports and our policy towards them is so to say, "dependent"?

[londontsi]

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@ Lernakan I dont know who you are bro you are brilliant but you are throwing pearls in front of swine and in the end they will ban you because they are jealous, stupid and selfhating. Welcome to akhparistan LOL! My father used to say Armenians are Armenias worst enemy and seeing 99.9% people in forums like this I realize how right he was. But dont worry bro because in the end nationalists will always win because thats how our history is. btw these people complain about blockade 24/7 but when we try to end the blockade these people start complaining that we are trying to end the blockade LOL!

In case you are following events of another country, for Armenia “the blockade will end” only when Karabagh is surrendered.
This is Azerbaijan's position. Turkey supports it 100%. It appears for now they will not compromise. Their thinking is that time is in their favour.

Therefore you cannot be both a nationalist as well as do “what is necessary” to end the blockade.

My view (whatever its worth) is we should not give not even an inch of Karabagh or surrounded liberated lands.

On the other hand use the blockade as a reason to politically attack Turkey/Azerbaijan and in parallel develop alternative routes for economic development.
This is at last being worked on.

Unfortunately many years were wasted trying to placate Turkey and the West’s interests.

Now maybe you might try and tell us what is your position.

[Serjik]

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@ Lernakan I dont know who you are bro you are brilliant but you are throwing pearls in front of swine and in the end they will ban you because they are jealous, stupid and selfhating. Welcome to akhparistan LOL! My father used to say Armenians are Armenias worst enemy and seeing 99.9% people in forums like this I realize how right he was. But dont worry bro because in the end nationalists will always win because thats how our history is. btw these people complain about blockade 24/7 but when we try to end the blockade these people start complaining that we are trying to end the blockade LOL!