Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[Haykakan]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Bull. You sound like one of these Russia-worshippers that fled the Soviet toilet called 'perestroika'. No offense intended but you couldn't be any more wrong.

Armenia's independence came out of a power vacuum, and the losses of western Armenia were a direct result of Lenin's non-interventionist policies, as well as his appeasement to Mustafa Kemal in hopes of turning him into a Soviet state some day as well.

Try to understand what happened to Armenia during and after the Bolshevik revolution.

One last thing (to others, in response to other comments I've read)...no disrespect to the most nationalistic diasporan party we have, the loudest one that maintains our voice politically not just in the US but EU as well, but they weren't then what they are now. The Turks, on April 24, went after Hunchags, Armenakans and other threats, and the ARF weren't high on their list during the early mornings. In other words, when the Hunchag and other revolutionaries were first dismantled, the ARF pretty much took up the role of leaders of the revolution, and even fought frequently with Armenians even while the genocide was happening.

Some of my best friends are in ARF but it doesn't stop me from criticising it. ARF lacks vision and is out of touch with Armenias society. It is more conserned about genocide recognition then the survival of Hayastan.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Dashnaks also lost plenty of our lands because they refused russias help when it was offered. We could have still had kars, Erzrum and other towns along with their Armenian inhabitants but..

Bull. You sound like one of these Russia-worshippers that fled the Soviet toilet called 'perestroika'. No offense intended but you couldn't be any more wrong.

Armenia's independence came out of a power vacuum, and the losses of western Armenia were a direct result of Lenin's non-interventionist policies, as well as his appeasement to Mustafa Kemal in hopes of turning him into a Soviet state some day as well.

Try to understand what happened to Armenia during and after the Bolshevik revolution.

One last thing (to others, in response to other comments I've read)...no disrespect to the most nationalistic diasporan party we have, the loudest one that maintains our voice politically not just in the US but EU as well, but they weren't then what they are now. The Turks, on April 24, went after Hunchags, Armenakans and other threats, and the ARF weren't high on their list during the early mornings. In other words, when the Hunchag and other revolutionaries were first dismantled, the ARF pretty much took up the role of leaders of the revolution, and even fought frequently with Armenians even while the genocide was happening.

[Armanen]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I want to join ARF party in Yerevan.
How can I do that?
Any advice please?

I think you can go to their HQ near Republic Square, I'm sure if you can't join there someone will tell you where you should go and what you should do in order to join the ARF.

[Federate]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

No idea on how you could join but their headquarters is here http://wikimapia.org/10588610/Dashna...y-headquarters

You can try getting information there.

[gegev]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I want to join ARF party in Yerevan.
How can I do that?
Any advice please?

[gegev]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

no that's not true. Russia backed up in concealment with the turks. You completely forget that at the time, armenians has just seen the genocide and the western armenian lands no longer had armenian habitants. The russians backed away and armenians as well as tashnagtsoutyoun went back along with them. There was a mere 800,000 souls left in our republic and which they fought with their last breath in may 18, 1918 thanks to dashnagtsoutyoun the a.r.f. And the armenian blessed people.

Հանրապետականը իր դաշնակ ընկերոջ մոտ գլուխ ա գովում՝

Էս ա մի հատ արձանագրություն եմ ստորագրում ու կարող ա Թուրքիայի սահմանը բացվի:

Ապե....ր չստորագրես .... ղազագիր ա, պատասխանում է Դաշնակը:

[Anoush]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Dashnaks also lost plenty of our lands because they refused russias help when it was offered. We could have still had kars, Erzrum and other towns along with their Armenian inhabitants but..

No that's not true. Russia backed up in concealment with the turks. You completely forget that at the time, Armenians has just seen the Genocide and the Western Armenian lands no longer had Armenian habitants. The Russians backed away and Armenians as well as Tashnagtsoutyoun went back along with them. There was a mere 800,000 souls left in our Republic and which they fought with their last breath in May 18, 1918 thanks to Dashnagtsoutyoun the A.R.F. and the Armenian blessed people.

[Gavur]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I know what you're saying. After Abdul Hamid II'nd ARF thought that the young turks would be different or better, not knowing that they were worse. Right after Adana's annihilation ARF withdrew from them of course. And yes they did have our nation's best interests in mind.

Unfortunately Anush they still stood by the Young Turks even after Adana, (because of the liberal elements of those murderous party , who later were eliminated by what became the CPU) to our detriment.

[Haykakan]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

No I don't agree with you Haykakan. I tend to agree with Eddo's analysis. Mukuch is questioning because Antranig had a huge dispute with ARF and I believe Antranig didn't agree with ARF especially when he listened to the Britons and their mega lies and gave up the right of way of our lands and Mukuch is finding fault in that. I happen to know that my father found fault in Antranig for it as well.

With retrospect in regards to ARF, there's a saying I'll be darned if I do and darned if I don't. What was Tashnagtsoutyoun to do? Tashnagtsoutyoun armed themselves and fought on the mountains of Armenia against the genocidal pogrom Mongolian turks who lutted, killed, raped, burned, stole and did everything else to Armenian populace. And after the Hamidian massacres they thought that the newly elected young turks were speaking the truth that they will help Armenians. They didn't know that they were worse off and they were speaking with both ends of their mouths. Of course right after the Adana massacres, they stopped believing in them and they stayed completely away from them. Those were very hard times for Armenians as they were always living in sheer fear. It was horrible times for us much before the Genocide.

Dashnaks also lost plenty of our lands because they refused russias help when it was offered. We could have still had kars, Erzrum and other towns along with their Armenian inhabitants but..

[Anoush]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Nah Muck means to disrespect anyone and everyone, no one is deserving of his respect.

No I don't agree with you Haykakan. I tend to agree with Eddo's analysis. Mukuch is questioning because Antranig had a huge dispute with ARF and I believe Antranig didn't agree with ARF especially when he listened to the Britons and their mega lies and gave up the right of way of our lands and Mukuch is finding fault in that. I happen to know that my father found fault in Antranig for it as well.

With retrospect in regards to ARF, there's a saying I'll be darned if I do and darned if I don't. What was Tashnagtsoutyoun to do? Tashnagtsoutyoun armed themselves and fought on the mountains of Armenia against the genocidal pogrom Mongolian turks who lutted, killed, raped, burned, stole and did everything else to Armenian populace. And after the Hamidian massacres they thought that the newly elected young turks were speaking the truth that they will help Armenians. They didn't know that they were worse off and they were speaking with both ends of their mouths. Of course right after the Adana massacres, they stopped believing in them and they stayed completely away from them. Those were very hard times for Armenians as they were always living in sheer fear. It was horrible times for us much before the Genocide.