Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[Haykakan]

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Mukuch is not disrespecting him, sounds to me he is criticizing Andranik’s actions during the Sardarabad battle.

As Armenian we should question actions of our leaders past and present with cool heads so we can understand and learn. Constructive criticism is very good, assumptions are not……….something we do a lot.
No one man or a party is always right and we can all make mistakes with the best of intentions.

BTW, my take is that the Dashnaks should have considered Andranik’s warnings, but I would like to see good arguments on both sides.

Nah Muck means to disrespect anyone and everyone, no one is deserving of his respect.

[Eddo211]

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........Believe me I knew lots of people like you in Lebanon and some of them were very close friends, but none of them would dare to disrespect or badmouth the Hero Antranik. When you disrespect him it's like you’re disrespecting your whole nation, because every thinker and every great men of our nation spoke well and respected this man.

Mukuch is not disrespecting him, sounds to me he is criticizing Andranik’s actions during the Sardarabad battle.

As Armenian we should question actions of our leaders past and present with cool heads so we can understand and learn. Constructive criticism is very good, assumptions are not……….something we do a lot.
No one man or a party is always right and we can all make mistakes with the best of intentions.

BTW, my take is that the Dashnaks should have considered Andranik’s warnings, but I would like to see good arguments on both sides.

[Yedtarts]

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I know what you're saying. After Abdul Hamid II'nd ARF thought that the young turks would be different or better, not knowing that they were worse. Right after Adana's annihilation ARF withdrew from them of course. And yes they did have our nation's best interests in mind.

Back then our leaders/heroes (like most everyone else) were naive, they didn’t know who were these international Anti Christian and Anti Humanity black forces who had an evil agenda to control the world also wanted to finish and wipe us from the face of this planet. they've thought the Brits or the French will help us just because we were Christians, most of the times we were stabbed in back by these people.

I’m not blaming Dashnakes, like I said, they had good intentions in mind, but Antranik warn them about the young turks, saying “turks can never be trusted”

[gegev]

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I bow to the memory of all our heroes no matter what political parties they’ve belonged, these people gave their lives to our people and they deserve our respect no matter what! It’s like putting our people’s and nation’s interests above everything else. Karekin Nejteh and Andranik are my idols because they were the ultimate nationalists.

Andranik is a legend for our Nation, like Sasuntsy Davit, and it cannot and shouldn’t be disputed.

Now we need to have more Andraniks to prevent endorsing the death sentence issued to Armenia in the protocol.

[Anoush]

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And so did the young turks to Dashnaks, we cannot blame them because they were backstabbed, everything was done with our nation’s best interests in mind.

I know what you're saying. After Abdul Hamid II'nd ARF thought that the young turks would be different or better, not knowing that they were worse. Right after Adana's annihilation ARF withdrew from them of course. And yes they did have our nation's best interests in mind.

[Yedtarts]

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At one point he believed in the freaking Brits and trusted them; but hey he didn't expect that the Brits were going to stab him in the back the way they did.

And so did the young turks to Dashnaks, we cannot blame them because they were backstabbed, everything was done with our nation’s best interests in mind.

[Yedtarts]

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Yedtarts, also Antranik fought for I believe thirty years with his troops on the mountains of Armenia against our enemy. Along with Karekin Nejteh and Tro, Antranik is and has been practically the demagod of our nation for over a century. At one point he believed in the freaking Brits and trusted them; but hey he didn't expect that the Brits were going to stab him in the back the way they did. Though our enemy was always in fear of him for many many years.

I bow to the memory of all our heroes no matter what political parties they’ve belonged, these people gave their lives to our people and they deserve our respect no matter what! It’s like putting our people’s and nation’s interests above everything else. Karekin Nejteh and Andranik are my idols because they were the ultimate nationalists.

[Anoush]

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Yedtarts, also Antranik fought for I believe thirty years with his troops on the mountains of Armenia against our enemy. Along with Karekin Nejteh and Tro, Antranik is and has been practically the demagod of our nation for over a century. At one point he believed in the freaking Brits and trusted them; but hey he didn't expect that the Brits were going to stab him in the back the way they did. Though our enemy was always in fear of him for many many years.

[Yedtarts]

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Originally Posted by Yedtarts View Post
I don't know what kind of Dashnak you are, but the ones I know all respect and honor him.


Originally Posted by Mukuch View Post
I didnt know that Vazgen I, Hovhanes Bagramyan and even Anastas Mikoyan were Dashnaks


You didnt mention any dashnak. just that.

Like I said, your short slightness allows you to see only the things that suit your agenda.
What about these guys, weren’t they Dashnaks?

Avetis Aharonian- "For the Armenian people, Andranik is not a mere person, but the embodiment of a powerful and unshaken thought. Andranik is the idol which our people molded according to their aspirations and ideals."

Nikol Aghbalian- "Andranik's character had 2 basic features: hatred without reservation towards the Turks, and an active and deep love towards the Armenian people- the peasants in particular. His assessments of military situations on the battlefield amounted to prophecy.
Personal life had virtually no place in his thoughts."

The writer, intellectual and ARF leader Mikayel Varandian wrote about Andranik: "Not less courageous and not less capable than Serob Aghbiur, Andranik had both intelligence and instinct. A born strategist, with a thorough knowledge of the mountains and valleys of the motherland, he was a unique and unparalleled leader and commander. He was audacious and courageous, also cautious and farsighted"

Believe me I knew lots of people like you in Lebanon and some of them were very close friends, but none of them would dare to disrespect or badmouth the Hero Antranik. When you disrespect him it's like you’re disrespecting your whole nation, because every thinker and every great men of our nation spoke well and respected this man.

[Anoush]

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LoveArmenia; I used to be a member of A.Y.F. and loved it. I am also a Tashnagtsagan and I honestly believe faithfully and know it for certain about the organization, their long history of achievements and they are many. For the record, today's Armenian Republic owes it to the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.

One thing for sure; ARF members and believers normally are extremely patriotic and would die for Armenia when and if the need arise.



The problem with ARF is that it has too many Mukuchs and not enough thinkers who can formulate a effective strategy for the Armenian nation. Realistic goal setting and achievement is the key to a successfull strategy and just saying no to everything while not bringing any new and creative ideas of your own will not win you support among the people of Armenia. The present administration offers them oppertunities while ARF offers endless war and continued isolation with economic development being stunted. The ARF needs a new generation of thinkers to lead the plethera of fighters it already has.

You know what you're doing Haykakan? Havado hankanag. You still believe that the turko lover sargsyan's acceptance of the deadly protocols and his actions same as our traitor Vasags and the "Naxarars" who willingly sold their country and lands; meaning our country and lands is such a good idea. Go insist in believing in your deadly protocols for the final demease of our motherland, meanwhile I insist on believing otherwise.

'Tejpakhdapar' in the end we'll see who was the one who has foreseen the reality in the true perspective. Frankly, the way things are and for the love of our 'Hayrenik' I sincerely hope that I would be wrong; but let's wait and see.

Furthermore, unfortunately the newer generation of Armenians are not aware of their history, a good many of them are not even educated enough to be smart and patriotic enough to know whether their government is doing the right thing for them. And this is frankly the scary part. If the people are not educated enough to know their history and what transpired with a deadly enemy right next door, it's just a no win and frankly a very unfortunate situation. I wished a thousand times that the people in Armenia were better equipped with their history not to let for history to repeat itself, and so they could fight against their government and demand their rights for the future of their country.

Let me remind you Haykakan that it is not only ARF that is against the protocols; but the Ramgavars and other parties as well. Only less than a week ago in Glendale they rallied on the streets thousands of Armenians who belonged to various parties against the protocols. So it's not just the ARF.