Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[Anoush]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

LoveArmenia; I used to be a member of A.Y.F. and loved it. I am also a Tashnagtsagan and I honestly believe faithfully and know it for certain about the organization, their long history of achievements and they are many. For the record, today's Armenian Republic owes it to the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.

One thing for sure; ARF members and believers normally are extremely patriotic and would die for Armenia when and if the need arise.

I just read your posts and BTW; are you Armenian by any chance? Because I just noticed that you're fighting with our Mukuch.

[Haykakan]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[QUOTE=Anoush;281011]LoveArmenia; I used to be a member of A.Y.F. and loved it. I am also a Tashnagtsagan and I honestly believe faithfully and know it for certain about the organization, their long history of achievements and they are many. For the record, today's Armenian Republic owes it to the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.

One thing for sure; ARF members and believers normally are extremely patriotic and would die for Armenia when and if the need arise.



The problem with ARF is that it has too many Mukuchs and not enough thinkers who can formulate a effective strategy for the Armenian nation. Realistic goal setting and achievement is the key to a successfull strategy and just saying no to everything while not bringing any new and creative ideas of your own will not win you support among the people of Armenia. The present administration offers them oppertunities while ARF offers endless war and continued isolation with economic development being stunted. The ARF needs a new generation of thinkers to lead the plethera of fighters it already has.

[ILoveArmenia]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

LoveArmenia; I used to be a member of A.Y.F. and loved it. I am also a Tashnagtsagan and I honestly believe faithfully and know it for certain about the organization, their long history of achievements and they are many. For the record, today's Armenian Republic owes it to the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.

One thing for sure; ARF members and believers normally are extremely patriotic and would die for Armenia when and if the need arise.

I just read your posts and BTW; are you Armenian by any chance? Because I just noticed that you're fighting with our Mukuch.

Yes i am Armenian dont listen to Mukuch. he thinks anyone who doesnt agree with him and isnt tashnag is not Armenian.

my last name is Shaverdian. I am Armenian

[Federation]

Re: Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagsootyoon)

Who said that? Where did you get that xxxx from?



Give me one example.
Andranik was just an uneducated son of a carpenter who was not able to grasp Dashnak Intelectuals... And yes he was some where else when Dashnaks were defending Armenia (or what rest of it) from turks in Sardarapat...




????

It seems your information comes from a turkish schoolboock...

Conclusion... you are just another turk maymun!

Calm down!!!!

It is very good to ask questions, and he said nothing wrong.

Andranik was a legend, a fearless lion, and a dashnak god. Dashnaks have forever eternalized his name in our revolutionary songs.

Don't be quick to talk nonsence. Andranik had some serious problems with the policies adopted by the dashnak leadership at the time in question, and some points in particular was very hard for patriots like Andranik to swallow. Njdeh had some serious problems with the party and later withdrew from the ARF, too.

The point is, these men are NATIONAL heroes, so stop being a party finatic and talking nonsence. Don't forget, the party is not the nation, but was created to serve the nation.

[Federation]

Re: Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagsootyoon)

the problem is i have heard a lot of negative things from Armenian Revolutionary Federation
such as:
1. Armenia hates them
2. Everytime some Armenian did something heroic in the past, the Dashnagsootyoon would claim him as their own (such as Kach Antranik, who was so mad at Dashnaks he left Armenia)
3. they are violent
etc etc

Armenia does not hate them. During the soviet times, nationalism was banned in Armenia, the dashnaks were demonized by the soviet union, and a lot of historical distortion regarding the dashnaks went on. Due to this soviet policy, a lot of Armenians were led to view the dashnaks in a negative light.

There are still a lot of people armenia who think this way in armenia today. However, the dashnaks have come a long way in the current republic of armenia. Branches all over the country, youth organizations, and such.

more importantly, look at the feelings of our "dear" neighbors, the turks and azeris, regardings the dashnaks.

dashnaks have done a lot for the nation, they have proved their devotion to the country with their blood, and there are countless examples.

[Icy]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I don't know a lot about both groups, but
our country needs a group that is for the
people, and for the good of people.
I don't know about you, but I can't
even visit Armenia now without having
worries in the back of my mind about getting
robbed, because i'm from america.
We need a president who will bring prosperity
through strict economic regimes, and infrastructure
development, I mean theres only around 2 and a half
million of us living in Armenia we should really make the
best of our land.

[Haykakan]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I don't know a lot about both groups, but
our country needs a group that is for the
people, and for the good of people.
I don't know about you, but I can't
even visit Armenia now without having
worries in the back of my mind about getting
robbed, because i'm from america.
We need a president who will bring prosperity
through strict economic regimes, and infrastructure
development, I mean theres only around 2 and a half
million of us living in Armenia we should really make the
best of our land.

Give me a break man. I go to Armenia every chance i get with my kid and wife and i sent my wife and kid without me this summer and getting robbed was never a issue. You need to go often and make friends there and you will see how silly your worries of being robbed are.

[ILoveArmenia]

Re: Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagsootyoon)

Calm down!!!!

It is very good to ask questions, and he said nothing wrong.

Andranik was a legend, a fearless lion, and a dashnak god. Dashnaks have forever eternalized his name in our revolutionary songs.

Don't be quick to talk nonsence. Andranik had some serious problems with the policies adopted by the dashnak leadership at the time in question, and some points in particular was very hard for patriots like Andranik to swallow. Njdeh had some serious problems with the party and later withdrew from the ARF, too.

The point is, these men are NATIONAL heroes, so stop being a party finatic and talking nonsence. Don't forget, the party is not the nation, but was created to serve the nation.

thank you very much
and lol lets not go to far. their is only one God and that is God :]

[Anoush]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[QUOTE=Haykakan;281014]

LoveArmenia; I used to be a member of A.Y.F. and loved it. I am also a Tashnagtsagan and I honestly believe faithfully and know it for certain about the organization, their long history of achievements and they are many. For the record, today's Armenian Republic owes it to the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.

One thing for sure; ARF members and believers normally are extremely patriotic and would die for Armenia when and if the need arise.



The problem with ARF is that it has too many Mukuchs and not enough thinkers who can formulate a effective strategy for the Armenian nation. Realistic goal setting and achievement is the key to a successfull strategy and just saying no to everything while not bringing any new and creative ideas of your own will not win you support among the people of Armenia. The present administration offers them oppertunities while ARF offers endless war and continued isolation with economic development being stunted. The ARF needs a new generation of thinkers to lead the plethera of fighters it already has.

You know what you're doing Haykakan? Havado hankanag. You still believe that the turko lover sargsyan's acceptance of the deadly protocols and his actions same as our traitor Vasags and the "Naxarars" who willingly sold their country and lands; meaning our country and lands is such a good idea. Go insist in believing in your deadly protocols for the final demease of our motherland, meanwhile I insist on believing otherwise.

'Tejpakhdapar' in the end we'll see who was the one who has foreseen the reality in the true perspective. Frankly, the way things are and for the love of our 'Hayrenik' I sincerely hope that I would be wrong; but let's wait and see.

Furthermore, unfortunately the newer generation of Armenians are not aware of their history, a good many of them are not even educated enough to be smart and patriotic enough to know whether their government is doing the right thing for them. And this is frankly the scary part. If the people are not educated enough to know their history and what transpired with a deadly enemy right next door, it's just a no win and frankly a very unfortunate situation. I wished a thousand times that the people in Armenia were better equipped with their history not to let for history to repeat itself, and so they could fight against their government and demand their rights for the future of their country.

Let me remind you Haykakan that it is not only ARF that is against the protocols; but the Ramgavars and other parties as well. Only less than a week ago in Glendale they rallied on the streets thousands of Armenians who belonged to various parties against the protocols. So it's not just the ARF.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Originally Posted by Yedtarts View Post
I don't know what kind of Dashnak you are, but the ones I know all respect and honor him.


Originally Posted by Mukuch View Post
I didnt know that Vazgen I, Hovhanes Bagramyan and even Anastas Mikoyan were Dashnaks


You didnt mention any dashnak. just that.

Like I said, your short slightness allows you to see only the things that suit your agenda.
What about these guys, weren’t they Dashnaks?

Avetis Aharonian- "For the Armenian people, Andranik is not a mere person, but the embodiment of a powerful and unshaken thought. Andranik is the idol which our people molded according to their aspirations and ideals."

Nikol Aghbalian- "Andranik's character had 2 basic features: hatred without reservation towards the Turks, and an active and deep love towards the Armenian people- the peasants in particular. His assessments of military situations on the battlefield amounted to prophecy.
Personal life had virtually no place in his thoughts."

The writer, intellectual and ARF leader Mikayel Varandian wrote about Andranik: "Not less courageous and not less capable than Serob Aghbiur, Andranik had both intelligence and instinct. A born strategist, with a thorough knowledge of the mountains and valleys of the motherland, he was a unique and unparalleled leader and commander. He was audacious and courageous, also cautious and farsighted"

Believe me I knew lots of people like you in Lebanon and some of them were very close friends, but none of them would dare to disrespect or badmouth the Hero Antranik. When you disrespect him it's like you’re disrespecting your whole nation, because every thinker and every great men of our nation spoke well and respected this man.