Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

Yes, it's obvious you are confused.

I'm not confused at all. I know very well where you are coming from and most importantly where you are heading to. Depi hayreniq (as you put it) LOL.
Of course you (and the likes of you) would want to go to Armenia, Hayreniq where a young native yerevantsi family will be renting, paying through their nose, for one of your properties, while the other one will clean your huge house which you bought for peanuts from another suffering local. etc etc.
Who are you kidding? You are an American so stay in America and put your considerable knowledge of our history and love for all things Armenian towards making sure our vast American diaspora stays Armenian.

What would your avatar sake Garegin say about this matter?

He'd say to you stay where you are (USA) and provide leadership to those Armenians around you, teach them what it's mean to be Armenian, teach them our language and history, organize them! That's exactly what Garegin did in USA.

I don't want to go into detail but the Armenian Republic today is full of worthless and useless citizens. In my opinion, they should all be allowed to gradually leave the nation. At the same time, however, there should be a pan-Armenian program set up to attract conscientious Armenians from around the world.

You and the likes of you to Armenia are what jhud (joo) zionists were to Palestine in the 1920ies. Palestinians welcomed them and gave them bread while jhuds stabbed them in the back and stole their land. The rest is a history. But what happened to Palestinians will never happen to Hayastantsis no matter how much you wish and pray for it to happen.

Don't forget I'm an Akhpar?

That's right, an akhpar - a foreigner with an Armenian heritage, you are just a guest, nothing more nothing less. The problem is that you don't appreciate our hospitality and show disrespect to Hayastantsis. That's the result of a failed government policy, which gave foreigners property and residency rights in Armenia. But things will change and mistakes will be fixed.

Are you one of them ppzogh geghatsis? What is your point?

I'm neither geghatsi (villager) nor geghtsi (uneducated). I'm a proud 3rd generation Yerevantsi with an honours degree from one of the best European Universities (a non English one). I love our geghatsis (villagers) dearly, while you dispise them so much. Our Nzhdeh, whos words you use as your signature, was a Hayastantsi geghatsi (Nakhichevani marz, Kznut gekh). Geghatsis are the most sincere, hardworking and patriotic Hayastantsis. One geghatsi is worth more than 50 akhpars.

Learn correct Armenian grammar. It's spelled "yeghav" (Եղավ) and my name is not Ara.

Eghav@ et goghakanova vorits du gaghapar chunes u chesel unenana, inchpes nayev mer surb Hayastanits u mer anoush Yerevanits chunes u chesel unena. Yes vor hayereni ughagrutiunits 5-ei stanum to du ureir, ara? Ha hents ara. Minchev qo verabermunq@ im erkri u im erkratsineri nkatmamb chpoxes, kmnas ara. Jogir inchem asum, ara?

[Armenian]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

I'm getting tired of this stupid nonsenses.

gmd, I suggest you take your Japanese wife and children and visit your long lost homeland. You and your family will be pleasantly surprised. After you come back we'll talk about whether or not there will be enough Armenians in Armenia for the nation to be called Armenia anymore...

Where do all you people come out off?

...the remittence back home will be slowing and eventually stopping. sooner or later Armenia needs to stand on its own feet or there will not be enough Armenians in Armenia for it to be called Armenia anymore...

[gmd]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

this is an interesting discussion. enough of one for me to log on and comment. i am trying to understand the comments about an Armenian race and/or fatherland. i thought we were a distinct cultural group not a race unto ourselves. and what is a fatherland? is it the land of your forefathers or the land you call home? I left Armenia alot earlier then Fedayeen but I can empathize with his situation because I have come in contact with enough Armenians who left during the post independence days. even my memories of Soviet Armenia are not golden ones.

at the rate the brain drain is occurring in Armenia and other similar nations I do not see how it is a benefit to anyone but the developed nations who are snapping up all the talent.
the remittence back home will be slowing and eventually stopping. sooner or later Armenia needs to stand on its own feet or there will not be enough Armenians in Armenia for it to be called Armenia anymore.

[Armenian]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

As you said, through out the history, our people been through even worse situations, then we are facing today. But they managed to survive and keep the legacy alive.

The "they" you are referring to "survived" more-or-less within the region of the Armenian homeland within Islamic societies, namely that of the Ottoman Empire and Persia. The then equivalent of a western diaspora, the medieval Armenian communities of eastern Europe numbering over a quarter million, disappeared into the pages of history. And today in this modern age of materialism and liberalism, especially in the western world, modern Armenian communities have no chance in hell of preserving their national identity past several generations.

So, what is it all about, do you attempt to preserve or do you disappear? Look at your parents, according to what you said, they claim that they would never step foot in the Armenian Republic again.... Let's think of that conviction for a moment... Had most Armenians been like your parents what would have become of the Armenian nation? For me, your parents, like many others in our republic and the diaspora today, are total wastes as Armenians. And if it makes you feel any better, I also have family members like that. I don't associate myself with them and I don't even allow my children to spend any amount of time with their children.

I'm afraid we will never reach the point where we as a race are not facing danger. Because we have people like you who put them selfs above others.

I'm putting myself above others and that is why the Armenian Republic is in danger??? What the heck are you talking about Had I been selfish, I would not waste my precious time in this board and I would live a very comfortable "American" life. The Armenian Republic, good or bad, is my only homeland. I have a duty to be apart of it unconditionally. And it is my duty to participate in its development in any way that I can.

[Lucin]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

I don't want to go into detail but the Armenian Republic today is full of worthless and useless citizens. In my opinion, they should all be allowed to gradually leave the nation.

It might sound 'harsh' to some but I agree with you wholeheartedly. These kind have always been an impedement for the country's developpment and prosperity, not only today but throughout Armenia's history.

Are you one of them ppzogh geghatsis?

[Armenian]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

Armenian, I used to like you, in fact I think that you are one of the greatest minds in this forum. But with this thread and with your remarks here you have disappointed me.

I am not interested in wining the hearts and minds of the readers. I simply speak my mind. Some will support what I say others will not, its natural. Instead of getting antsy, if you have a point to make in support of a counterargument, make it.

You are telling an unfortunate refugee from Armenia that Armenia is not for people like him and wishing even more Hayastantsis would leave their homeland. WTF?? ...

Yes, it's obvious you are confused. Personally, I have nothing against the "unfortunate refugee" from Armenia. He seems to be a decent person. However, the person in question should learn to respect the concept of a Fatherland and learn to serve the nation unconditionally. And I give a rat's ass how much money one has, how much education one has, or where one is born. What matters to me are individuals who have a healthy, objective and balanced approach to their troubled homeland. The person in question has obviously had bad experiences, as have so many others like him. But that does not give him the right to more-or-less give up on his nation and not see the point of preserving the Armenian identity in the diaspora. What good is he as an Armenian if he/she does not have a viable healthy connection to the homeland? What would your avatar sake Garegin say about this matter? The point is, we don't need any more defeatists who sow the seeds of discontent in our society, we have too many as is.

I don't want to go into detail but the Armenian Republic today is full of worthless and useless citizens. In my opinion, they should all be allowed to gradually leave the nation. At the same time, however, there should be a pan-Armenian program set up to attract conscientious Armenians from around the world. Anyway, why don't you read the entire exchange of words between him and I before you make yourself out to be an idiot.

Listen, with all due respect, but it seems that you are forgetting who you are. You are an akhpar, so behave yourself accordingly and don't get cheeky

Don't forget I'm an Akhpar? Are you one of them ppzogh geghatsis? What is your point?

, Ekhav ara?

Learn correct Armenian grammar. It's spelled "yeghav" (Եղավ) and my name is not Ara.

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You are right, Armenia is not for people like you. Sadly, there are a lot of people like you stuck over there, I wish they could leave as well.

Armenian, I used to like you, in fact I think that you are one of the greatest minds in this forum. But with this thread and with your remarks here you have disappointed me. You are telling an unfortunate refugee from Armenia that Armenia is not for people like him and wishing even more Hayastantsis would leave their homeland. WTF?? ...Listen, with all due respect, but it seems that you are forgetting who you are. You are an akhpar, so behave yourself accordingly and don't get cheeky, Ekhav ara?

[Alexzan]

Re: Concern

Over the years, during my residence in the States I have noticed a rather disturbing thing. That thing is Armenians forgetting their heritage and culture and become "American." I am not tending to give the label "american" a bad reputation, but instead I am concerned with the people who are of Armenian descent, that dont recognize their ethnicity, show no interest in their native culture, but instead want to "blend" in with everybody else, with majority not recognizing their culture, but instead labeling themselves as "Americans." I for one was not born in the States but grew up in the states for a large amount of time and even though it has been sometimes difficult to sustain my full culture and ethnicity, through this "melting pot" of American society especially after 9/11. I know many Armenians (some by just looking at their last names, then actually seeing them) that show not even the slightest desire to recognize their real Armenian heritage, and once I asked one of these people what country they were from, they said Italian/Arabic , and then later they said an Armenian phrase "ինչ պես էս" , and stated it was Arabic. This is one of the instances that I noticed where an Armenian completed ignored his or her nationality. As Armenians have and do dispearse around the world I wish they could still sustain, their culture (as many do) and remain Armenian even though every one around them is of a different culture/nationality.

Yeah I know some of these people do that too. I hear some even say they are Mexican to sound like hardcore gangster or something, stupid people I dont know what their parents are thinking

[Fedayeen]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

As you said, through out the history, our people been through even worse situations, then we are facing today. But they managed to survive and keep the legacy alive.

I'm afraid we will never reach the point where we as a race are not facing danger. Because we have people like you who put them selfs above others.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

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Just stop the your nonsense, Fedayeen. None of what you wrote has any bearing on what we are discussing here.

We as a race are on danger, what i said clearly shows on what kind of disaster, at least most of us in diaspora are in. No wonder i don't make sense to you.

And you wont get any sympathy from me, because none of what you have told me is an excuse for spiritually and physically abandoning your fatherland. As if you are the only one with a sob story. Get on line. You are simply making superficial excuses for your self-hate, pessimism and defeatism.

You live in a world of denial. Yeh we tried really hard to come up an excuse

Self-hate...wow...you got a lot of guts, let me tell you. How can you bring yourself to call another Armenian self-hating individual? What makes you better Armenian then me?

Listen dude, throw in the towel and get on with your life here in the "glorious land" of Armendale.

I wish i was that selfish, i wish i was that stupid, i wish i could pretend everything is good. I wish i could just buy a benz, buy a house, and live my life with towel over my head. But no, because as you say, i'm one of those. Its easy for people to forget where they come from, because its so easy to get destructed in this materialistic world and be part of grand plan of Armenians extingshion supported by jooish.

Living as an Armenian without a connection to the homeland is pointless and senseless.

If that by you mean visiting Yerevan every summer, then yes i have to disagree.

You are right, Armenia is not for people like you. Sadly, there are a lot of people like you stuck over there, I wish they could leave as well. You don't have the maturity to see the Fatherland for what it is or needs to become. And the funniest thing here is your user name.

Of course it not, its for people who are criminals, liers, killers, inhuman, don't care about the future, and mafios & really poor people. I am sorry i could not fit in in any of those categories

Yeh i agree i was a just a little boy when i saw what "fatherland" was. Wish i was older back then so i could of understand that its not so bad.

Yeh its pretty funny user name, i get that a lot.

And yeah - ձայնս «շատ» տաք տեղից է գալիս: