The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

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yerazhishda replied

07-03-2008, 02:15 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by Armenian View Post

You may be 'smart' but you don't have - depth. Depth comes with worldly experience and wisdom. At this stage in your life you wouldn't see the "big picture" even if it hit you on the face... Then again, there are older individuals that are ignorant of the world around them, perhaps a majority of mankind. So, as well as it being a matter of worldly experience and wisdom, it also has to do with you as a person.

So what is in your opinion the point that I am missing?
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Armenian replied

07-03-2008, 02:09 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post

You're earlier post in this thread seems to suggest that you think otherwise. What is the big picture? I am looking at the big picture.

You may be 'smart' but you don't have - depth. Depth comes with worldly experience and wisdom. At this stage in your life you wouldn't see the "big picture" even if it hit you on the face... Then again, there are older individuals that are ignorant of the world around them, perhaps a majority of mankind. So, as well as it being a matter of worldly experience and wisdom, it also has to do with you as a person.
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TXMENIAN replied

07-03-2008, 02:04 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by Anonymouse View Post

It is akin to people who (mostly liberals) think of themselves as "open-minded," or "tolerant," but in order to be so, you must believe in minimum wage, gun control, , egalitarianism, race mixing, abortion, homosexual marriage, promiscuity, and government hand-outs. That is what is called "open-minded" and "tolerant". Those who do not are obviously narrow minded.

Are you for real? If you are open-minded you have to believe in all you mentioned?
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yerazhishda replied

07-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by Anonymouse View Post

This is just how it works. If we change these types of structuring, then perhaps we can make a difference.

I like to think of the title of my post more of an invitation than an indictment, but you are probably right that it is percieved otherwise.
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yerazhishda replied

07-03-2008, 01:40 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by Armenian View Post

Only because I'm tired of explaining things to people. You seem to be smart and a decent person, but your intellect is not yet fully developed and your perception of the world around you is yet inadequate. Learn to question things. Learn to look at things in depth. Train yourself to see the big picture. Being young you have a lot of energy, but you lack wisdom. Just my opinion.

You're earlier post in this thread seems to suggest that you think otherwise.

What is the big picture? I am looking at the big picture.
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Anonymouse replied

07-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Look, from my own opinion, there seems to be a genuine disagreement of ideas. However, it does not just end there. Ideas are powerful things and define us in ways unimaginable, unforeseen and unconscious and we are not even aware of them. They often become a fabric and essence of who we are and how we see the world. They essentially become one with our own paradigm and edifice of thought, and thus when there is an attack upon the ideas we hold dear, we feel it is an attack upon us as individuals and our ways of seeing the world because we have become so intimately woven with these ideas that it forms a fabric of our lives.

However, I believe there is a common way to get across ideas without threatening the other persons' views or edifice of thought.

For example, the title of the thread speaks of "Other Forward Thinking Armenians." What is implied in that is that any views that are contrarian to those expressed by those individuals are backward and narrow-minded, while those who agree with those posters are forward thinking and progressive and open-minded. I am not stating this because I agree with what Armenian and the rest say, because I disagree with alot of what they say, but I certainly disagree with alot of what Siamanto, etc., say.

Such nuances are what cause such a rift I believe.

It is akin to people who (mostly liberals) think of themselves as "open-minded," or "tolerant," but in order to be so, you must believe in minimum wage, gun control, , egalitarianism, race mixing, abortion, homosexual marriage, promiscuity, and government hand-outs. That is what is called "open-minded" and "tolerant". Those who do not are obviously narrow minded.

This is just how it works. If we change these types of structuring, then perhaps we can make a difference.

Last edited by Anonymouse; 07-03-2008, 01:36 PM.
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freakyfreaky replied

07-03-2008, 01:28 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by Armenian View Post

Only because I'm tired of explaining things to people. You seem to be smart and a decent person, but your intellect is not yet fully developed and your perception of the world around you is yet inadequate. Learn to question things. Learn to look at things in depth. Train yourself to see the big picture. Being young you have a lot of energy, but you lack wisdom. Just my opinion.

This from the all-knowing, omnipotent one.

Sounds to me like you are transferring, Armenian.
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Armenian replied

07-03-2008, 01:13 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post

Not surprisingly, you have chosen to respond to my ideas in a passive-aggressive, ad hominem fashion.

Only because I'm tired of explaining things to people. You seem to be smart and a decent person, but your intellect is not yet fully developed and your perception of the world around you is yet inadequate. Learn to question things. Learn to look at things in depth. Train yourself to see the big picture. Being young you have a lot of energy, but you lack wisdom. Just my opinion.
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TXMENIAN replied

07-03-2008, 12:57 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post

To bad it was nationalists fighting in Artsakh, it was them who were dying there. Not forward thinkers, it were nationalists wo made the country independent. Yes nationalisme is so bad.

I hope all of you so called free minds will be there when Armenia needs you. But I'm not counting on it. It will be nationalists giving their lifes so the country they love more than their own lifes, more than the life of their families can exist. Think about that

There is a big difference between the people you are talking about and the ones he is talking about. He is talking about the wannabees that cause country/people more damage with their ways than good and call them selfs nationalist.
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freakyfreaky replied

07-03-2008, 12:22 PM
Re: The Case for Siamanto and Other Forward-Thinking Armenians

Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post

To bad it was nationalists fighting in Artsakh, it was them who were dying there. Not forward thinkers, it were nationalists wo made the country independent. Yes nationalisme is so bad.

I hope all of you so called free minds will be there when Armenia needs you. But I'm not counting on it. It will be nationalists giving their lifes so the country they love more than their own lifes, more than the life of their families can exist. Think about that

Karo, I think you missed the point.

Yeraz did not dismiss the importance of nationalism.

He was speaking about ultra-nationalism.

Look at Turkey right now and all the rumblings of a 'deep state'.

There is a rift in the country between moderates and the ultranationals and a rarely discussed fear of military coup.
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