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  • #51
    Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

    Originally posted by natashav View Post
    Some of my close friends know of my Armenian heritage, but I haven't really bothered to tell too many people. One day, I was in the car with my mother, father, and my friend. We were being dropped off somewhere. Some person cut my dad off, and he has a bit ( and by a bit, I mean a severe case ) of road rage. So he started swearing, in englarmenian ( english and armenian ) Than, he noticed a bumper sticker on the driver's car. It was of the turkish flag. This juts set my father off even more. He said " Motherxxxxing Turk!" and a few other things I couldn't catch. My friend, who is not armenian, seemed appalled by that and I think he thinks my family are racists now.

    So , a question ...
    does this make my dad racist?
    And, if I still hold a " grudge " against turks and prefer not to associate with them, does that make me one aswell?


    I admittedly decided to act the same way as soon as I was old enough to understand what kind of damage the turks still cause and how it effects my peoples' lives. I do not associate with them and sometimes, with my pathetic attempts at humour, even get insulting. But I never saw myself as racist. I know I have a reason for acting the way I do and that my behaviour is simply the result of the turkish peoples' inability to acknowledge the truth, even if it is undeniable and based on historic facts. In some way I feel as if my actions are justified, especially when I come across a turk (hard not to in Germany) who spreads ignorant lies without even trying to be civil.
    I don't think you are racist if you insult those who deny you any justice.
    You hate them because they are part of a nation, that has done you harm in so many ways. I just thought I'd through my two bits in

    ...and excuse my English, I'm too tired to check for spelling errors...

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    • #52
      Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

      Originally posted by One-Way View Post
      The businessmen were visiting from Turkey... so you think they were there just for that one day and the factory spent their time putting up that flag?
      Unless we know all the facts, that's what it looks like.
      Achkerov kute.

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      • #53
        Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

        Originally posted by crusader1492
        I told her I understand, but you should be aware that that flag represents a fascist state that hates the USA and by having it there you are going to upset a lot of people. I closed the conversation expressing my hope that they would take that flag down.
        Good stuff, man. Even if they don't take it down, its good to make it known why people don't like it.



        Originally posted by Armanen
        I realize that, I was referring to the types of turks to dislike, and the majority of whom not only deny the Genocide occured but also would never agree to giving back the occupied lands.

        Ah, this is what I was trying to get at... that its fine if we dislike certain people, we can even consider many people our enemies based on their myopic views about our nation, but hating entire groups is not productive for us. Hate, just like any other emotion, is devoid of reason, and will only work to blind us in the long run.

        To take a large and diverse group of people such as Turks and to put them in one or two clean-cut groups, is to not only do an injustice to our national cause by forcing neutral Turks to fear us and support their own criminals, it also does an injustice to logic to hate such a large group. They are not a homogenous bloc with one viewpoint and one opinion. We should always confront those who threaten us, and yes they exist in the millions, but we should also teach those who are ignorant, and we should support those who share our principles.

        Thats why I never liked ideologies, such as "hating Turks", or any ideology for that matter. It restricts people to a very narrow intellectual prism, and practically speaking, it confines people to one or two options, when in reality we can create and use many different options simultaneously. Ideologies are not flexible, and when the situation gets too strenuous, the ideology will break.

        The only important thing to always keep constant and rigid is the goal we want to reach.
        Last edited by ArmSurvival; 07-30-2008, 09:00 AM.

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        • #54
          Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

          Originally posted by Esther View Post
          I admittedly decided to act the same way as soon as I was old enough to understand what kind of damage the turks still cause and how it effects my peoples' lives. I do not associate with them and sometimes, with my pathetic attempts at humour, even get insulting. But I never saw myself as racist. I know I have a reason for acting the way I do and that my behaviour is simply the result of the turkish peoples' inability to acknowledge the truth, even if it is undeniable and based on historic facts. In some way I feel as if my actions are justified, especially when I come across a turk (hard not to in Germany) who spreads ignorant lies without even trying to be civil.
          I don't think you are racist if you insult those who deny you any justice.
          You hate them because they are part of a nation, that has done you harm in so many ways. I just thought I'd through my two bits in

          ...and excuse my English, I'm too tired to check for spelling errors...
          Dear Esther, I have had confused feelings about it as well. But from time to time I have met turkish people here in the US and they seemed to be very civilized until you speak about politics with them. Though most of my own family were annihilated by the turks and there was a time in my life (when I was very young) I hated the turks; but now I don't hate anyone. I am just frustrated with the denyalist turkish government and with any denyalist turk and I despise their demeanor. Otherwise, I feel that there are many other turks like Orhan Pamuk and many other turkish writers that want the truth about the Genocide to prevail. I have chatted with another turkish woman on another Forum who was a very nice person and she wasn't a denyalist. So there is and there isn't.

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          • #55
            Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

            orhan pamuk is ok, but ask him if he thinks western Armenia should be returned to Armenia and you will see he is the same sh*t as his denialist countrymen.
            For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
            to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



            http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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            • #56
              Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

              this kind of thing sometimes pisses me off thats all
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              • #57
                Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

                Of course your dad is not a racist!!! It is TOTALLY OK to hate people whose grandfathers massacred 1.5 millions of your ancestors, and who took more than half of your historical homeland. So don't worry, my friend. This is not the place for the "American political correctness".

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                • #58
                  Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

                  This is a complicated issue , does it make you a racist to hate turks? The turks today are not what they used to be ,a tribe from mongolia, but a new race meaning they have been mixed with armenians, greeks, bulgarians and other ancient people living in anatolia and the balkans. Their culture is mostly stolen,(and im not saying borrowed because that would be missleading indeed)...from the armenians, many of u already know that...So their culture is mostly armenian. But their mentality ...im can't put my finger on it...:S

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                  • #59
                    Re: Does This Make Me Racist?

                    as he was in a fit of road rage, yes but generally yes, pretty much many armenians are racist, but then again so are many turks, this does not justify it however

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