A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

[jgk3]

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Wonder why Artsakh is not a "fantasy"

exactly.

[Anoush]

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Correct, but we must never let go of the notion that the Republic of Armenia is the legal heir of Western Armenia. As soon as we start saying "oh it'll never happen" or "it's impossible", we will lose Western Armenia forever. Geopolitics can change over decades, so much so that we might see the decline of the republic of turkey (as we know it today) within our lifetime. If turkey gets apportioned to kurds, assyrians, and turks after its fall, Western Armenia can be repatriated.

Every Armenian is duty-bound to hold dear this ideal; if only for the memory of our ancestors but more so for the future of our People.

True true!!! I don't understand though why our Republic didn't forge ahead to claim Naxichevan when the azeri soldiers demolished our 2,500 Xachkars from the middle ages on brood daylight. They should have acted right then. That was a good time to act and claim our land back. Don't worry yerazhishd jan, Western Armenian lands are ours and one of these days we will get it back again!!!

[Anoush]

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By law yes, by modern geopolitics, this is a fantasy. Nonetheless, we can discuss the Wilsonian boundaries of Armenia. I just want to stress that such ideas, not backed by the shaping hand of a victorious military/militia force, lands on deaf ears of today's international community.

Yes, that's the way it'll have to be jgk3. Whether we like it or not. We can ask all we want but we will have to do what you posted above to get them back again. That is exactly why turkey is terrified to have the Genocide approved; they know that we will want our lands back again. But after stealing our lands for almost a century; it looks as though we'll have to get our hands dirty again to get it back. And to be able to do that our Republic needs more people, like us to go back and claim it and fight for it and fill it in with our people. Are the diasporan Armenians ready to go back and live in our anscestral lands again? Are we ready to go and fight for it and not be afraid to lose our life for the sake of our forefather's lands? How many of us will do that? How many of the diasporan Armenians will leave their soft lives and go and fight to claim our beautiful lands, to live there afterwards rather than giving our sweats to our hosted countries and make them floorish and be richer and better rather than our forefather's lands? Our own lands so that once again our people will multiply, our children no doubt will intermarry and multiply. Make a greater Armenia bigger, stronger economically and so we won't be afraid to vanish from the face of the earth.

[Ayk818]

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"2) The truth of the Armenian Genocide, and its denial by turkey and fake adrbedjan"

I think this is one of the biggest mistakes that Armenians make while speaking about the Armenian genocide -> "the truth". There is no doubt that there was a genocide committed by the ottoman empire against the Armenians. regardless of whatever turkey says, the issue shouldn't be weather there was a genocide, the issue should be turkey's acceptance.

[jgk3]

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Well then, how do address the fact that there are denialists of the Armenian genocide to begin with?

[ArmSurvival]

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This document should also include the state of Armenian Christianity in Georgia and the ethnic bullying that Armenians are subjected to in that country.

There should also be a section on the fabrication of the Azerbaijani state, how it was formed by the Pan-Turk, genocidal Enver Pasha, and how it continues to conduct anti-Armenian policies, from claiming Yerevan as part of Azerbaijan, to destroying the medieval cemetary of Jugha.

[jgk3]

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good suggestions. Please feel free to suggest sources that can help compile these facts.

[hrai]

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good suggestions. Please feel free to suggest sources that can help compile these facts.

I think we need to perhaps go back to 1864, if not earlier, to show background to the turcs actions. Someone should calculate not just the lost 1.5, what about the lost futures? How many millions of Armenians are not walking the earth today because of turcs & baboons?

[ArmSurvival]

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I think we need to perhaps go back to 1864, if not earlier, to show background to the turcs actions.

Very good point. It would also be a good idea to compile sources which show Kurdish encroachment on Armenian lands with the support of the Ottoman state during the 19th century, and how they imposed a double taxation on Armenian villages.

[hrai]

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Very good point. It would also be a good idea to compile sources which show Kurdish encroachment on Armenian lands with the support of the Ottoman state during the 19th century, and how they imposed a double taxation on Armenian villages.

Yes, and not just kurds but the Balkan muslims who were settled in Armenia following the Balkan wars of independence. (I believe these were probably the most vicious turcs as they dealt Armenians a similar hand to that they'd felt in Bulgaria, Serbia etc. ottomans knew that these transported turcs/muslims were ideal for carrying out their plans.