Nakhichevan

[Eddo211]

Re: Nakhichevan

Icy jan, now that you have been properly educated by many excellent responses here by other Armenians I would like you to listen to this video, an interview with Monte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopriPmgAUk&feature=related

BTW Federate, I agreed with everything Jirair said in that interview short of not putting faith in the current government,…….which part of that interview you do not agree with?

I also agree with you that now is not the time to liberate Nakhichevan even if we could push the Azeri military out of there we will hurt ourselves Geopolitically. Now if they attack us then all bets are off the table.....I would think.


Sheers

[hipeter924]

Re: Nakhichevan

Then America would join in.

Israel too and every other country.

Yep. War is direct result of people failing to adhere to reason and discuss things...sure it takes a long time but it is better to talk things over than start a war. Also people die and suffer in war...you can cancel an agreement but you can't give back someone's life.

[Eddo211]

Re: Nakhichevan

Yep. War is direct result of people failing to adhere to reason and discuss things...sure it takes a long time but it is better to talk things over than start a war. Also people die and suffer in war...you can cancel an agreement but you can't give back someone's life.

War has always been forced upon the Armenians by outside forces, it appears there is no reasoning…………….but our biggest blunder lays in our deep-rooted division and bickering, which is a greater threat to us than our mightiest enemy.

Sheers Mate.

[Federate]

Re: Nakhichevan

BTW Federate, I agreed with everything Jirair said in that interview short of not putting faith in the current government,…….which part of that interview you do not agree with?

Like you, I dislike him not putting any faith in our government even though I do not agree on some of the strategies our current government has taken myself. He is just too critical and this criticism is not constructive.

His strategy on Nakhichevan which consists of keeping the entire azeri population as it is can be debatable as well. However, it has some good ideas that will need to be given more thought.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Nakhichevan

Do you guys know what the reason ws that we didn't attack Nakhichevan during the Artsakh war. Because in 1920 Soviet and Russian signed a treaty that made Turkey guardian of the piece of land. They must guard that that piece of land stays with the Azeris. And that is also the reason that our governments hands are tied. We have the best army in the south-Caucasus, but we are nothing compared to the military might of Turkey. If they attack Hayastan we could defend us but attack them that would be suicide. We'll need to wait and see when the relationship between the turks and Azeris hits a low then we we can take advantage of the situation.

[Eddo211]

Re: Nakhichevan

Thanks for the info guys. I am trying to put things in perspective here……

It is always easy to put blame on a Government, I would be the first one; but our Gov situation is different and they are in an extremely difficult position. I don’t know much about Armenian politics but just watching and listening to Serzh Sargsyan it looks like he is carrying the weight of Mt Ararat on his back.

Putting all the corruptions in the political system aside for a minute, he is being severely blockaded by Azerbaijan and Turkey, he is under immense pressure to give land and drop the AG in order to reduce this choke hold, Russia is putting its own pressure, the West is putting pressure, Armenians are putting pressure; all of this while his main responsibilities is to the people and to bring prosperity to this landlocked Armenian territory which has no major natural resources and try to drive up the economy, but how?

He knows that even if he was to do what these countries ask (which I am proud that our Gov is hanging in there) the Armenian people will not stand for it and the Diaspora support will end and Artsakh will truly go independent (a disaster if you ask me)…………..for now it appears like he would rather built a railroad through freaking mountains than to concede anything.

There are other reasons as well which we may not be aware of its gravity or ramification like for example the reason behind why the Armenian Government was only providing limited support during the Artsakh liberation War………..I believe this restriction still remains today unless the Motherland itself gets attacked outright.

[hrai]

Re: Nakhichevan

Do you guys know what the reason ws that we didn't attack Nakhichevan during the Artsakh war. Because in 1920 Soviet and Russian signed a treaty that made Turkey guardian of the piece of land. They must guard that that piece of land stays with the Azeris. And that is also the reason that our governments hands are tied. We have the best army in the south-Caucasus, but we are nothing compared to the military might of Turkey. If they attack Hayastan we could defend us but attack them that would be suicide. We'll need to wait and see when the relationship between the turks and Azeris hits a low then we we can take advantage of the situation.

Treaty or not, if we attacked and reclaimed Nakhichevan, the turcs would always help their brothers, the baboons. Our only hope would be an expansion of Iraqi/Iranian Kurdistan to put a bolster between us and the turcs. But rock & hard place comes to mind.

[Pazooki]

Re: Nakhichevan

Treaty or not, if we attacked and reclaimed Nakhichevan, the turcs would always help their brothers, the baboons. Our only hope would be an expansion of Iraqi/Iranian Kurdistan to put a bolster between us and the turcs. But rock & hard place comes to mind.

As long as Azerbaijan has Turkey as their ally Nakhichevan won't be easy to claim without Russian or Iranian help.