Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[hrai]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

... it also comes from your past LIFE and I can prove this!

Saco, I've got to see this!!!!

[hrai]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Chère Meline, j'ai essayé 3 fois de répondre à votre message, mais
je ne suis pas habituée à ce forum, ça ne marchait pas. Merci pour votre gentillesse. J'habite 21, rue Milaville à Ars-sur-Moselle, c'est à 11 km de Metz, je serais très heureuse de vous recevoir. Bise.
03 87 60 91 52 Louise Kiffer- Sarian

Kiffer, a beautiful part of the world. For some years I lived in Trier.(Treves)

[gegev]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

You're right, we should keep our girls dumb so they can be oblivious to the dangers of the world and just worry about being charming.


Come again? I'm sure you'd be more charming if you grew up in the tropics as opposed to post WWII germany.

I really don't know which community you're referring to. Or where you're getting your point of views.

Agree!!!

Your way of thinking is the good Armenian one.

It prevents our girls being affected by the antichrist education and ensures that they keep their promise given to her husband in church at wedding ceremony; to be obedient and clean of all civilized dirt.

Being obedient Armenian women play very important role in the family they are, in fact, the shadow Commander in Chief.

Agree!
Agree!
Agree!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I thought Haykakan was laying it on a little too authoritative and wrong about the Freudian angle.I thought that Kanada was trying to probe the issue more, trying to understand the topic you were trying to display.

I think we're all still trying to probe the issue...

Not sure about you but I think what's natural in me is constantly being repressed

TGIF... lol.

[Gavur]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Thanks for elaborating. Yes, I agree that it can have a negative impact on a woman's self-esteem.


What is Kanada's insight and how is it better than Haykakan's? All I see him do is bicker and pull strings, but I'd like to see how you perceive him.

I thought Haykakan was laying it on a little too authoritative and wrong about the Freudian angle.I thought that Kanada was trying to probe the issue more, trying to understand the topic you were trying to display.

[Gavur]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

If the "general" population knew what it "really takes", they would be more mature before jumping into relationships and marriage at a young age, don't you think?

Maturity has nothing to do with age, wisdom does.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

The question is: does sexual education make a more charmful woman? I know Armenian girls with adequate sexual education, yet unable to charm beyond the initial magic."

You're right, we should keep our girls dumb so they can be oblivious to the dangers of the world and just worry about being charming.

Also, I don't find german women more sensual and charmful than polynesian women. Do you?

Come again? I'm sure you'd be more charming if you grew up in the tropics as opposed to post WWII germany.

Women cannot do much as long as the community continues to repress what's natural in them. I think that women are the first victims, what more can they do?

I really don't know which community you're referring to. Or where you're getting your point of views.

[Kiffer]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Chère Meline, j'ai essayé 3 fois de répondre à votre message, mais
je ne suis pas habituée à ce forum, ça ne marchait pas. Merci pour votre gentillesse. J'habite 21, rue Milaville à Ars-sur-Moselle, c'est à 11 km de Metz, je serais très heureuse de vous recevoir. Bise.
03 87 60 91 52 Louise Kiffer- Sarian

[Kattie]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Sorry for the incorrect sentence should of edited it.What I meant was "Mixed (charm) with healthy dose of self-esteem.
I'll elaborate further.Self esteem comes from being loved, and not all girls have been loved as much as boys in our history, because of that sometimes you'll find overcompensation by certain members of the family which makes it evev worse .Parents love and encouragement goes a long way in producing a person that feels secure enough to love, and give.

Thanks for elaborating. Yes, I agree that it can have a negative impact on a woman's self-esteem.

BTW- I think less the degree in psychology, Kanada Still has a better insight to this issue then Haykakan.

What is Kanada's insight and how is it better than Haykakan's? All I see him do is bicker and pull strings, but I'd like to see how you perceive him.

I think this is a great topic and i applaud Kattie for bringing this subject up.

Thank you!
I think that we agree on the reality of the issue and it's importance, but our explanation of the situation do not totally overlap. That is a good thing because it gives the reader different perspectives. I will focus on our differences because that's the nature of a discussion.

A women's charm is a part of her sexuality and it is very much oppressed by most Armenian parents. Instead of discussing sexuality many parents will just say you should't act like that. By no means is this true for all Armenian women but generally speaking charming, flirting or anything sexual in nature is discouraged in most Armenian girls by their parents. This is by no means a Armenian problem and exists in many other cultures.

I agree that charm has a role in a woman's sexuality, but I'm not sure if our understanding of charm agree on all points. Earlier in this thread, I have tried to define "charm", what is your definition and how does it agree/disagree with mine?
I think that the main difference in our views is that you put more emphasis on sexuality while I put an emphasis on charm that I would like to distinguish from sexuality.

Discussing sexuality at the appropriate time with your child is the safest and healthiest way to raise a sexually enabled women and keeping her safe from the possible negative implications of sex (ie. unwanted pregnancy,std....). Sex,charm, flirting... are not bad things and it should not be a taboo to discuss them especially with your children.

These attributes (charm,sexuality..) are not automatically handed down like genes, they are learned through observation. Parents hide much of the sencual side of their relationship from their childeren and are always worried about the child having sex and getting into trouble. Openly discussing these issues allowes the child to have a healther perspective on the subject and not be as vulnerable to myths and misconseptions regarding it.

You're expecting more than I'm wishing for, you're asking parents to make an effort to "teach" their children about sexuality, all I wish for is that they stop repressing the natural inclination/instinct that women have to charm. Also, the entire community takes part of the repression, not only the parents.

The question is: does sexual education make a more charmful woman? I know Armenian girls with adequate sexual education, yet unable to charm beyond the initial magic.
Also, I don't find german women more sensual and charmful than polynesian women. Do you?

No one is saying Armenian women are incapable of these things but obviously the fact that this thread exists and was started by a woman indicates that there is a issue to discuss.No one here is making up issues or problems that don't exist and it is good that we discuss them.

I would add that women of different ages agreed that there is a problem.

In long term relationships or marriages women need to actually work on charming their partner, and i say work because it really is work for the women since she does not feel the same need and is doing it for her partner.

Women cannot do much as long as the community continues to repress what's natural in them. I think that women are the first victims, what more can they do?

Many times women will have sex not because they feel like it but because their partner does and they want to keep him happy.You can consider this right or wrong it is up to you but the fact is men need sex more often then women, it is in our biology.

It's not always about sex, in once case the man was not willing to have physical contact. Reason: lack of charm.

I hope this helps and i am happy you asked. As for your other question about communication, i think maybe being less reserved about what you want to say may help. If something is bothering you just tell him and then you can gage from his reaction how he feels about it.Communication is usefull but there is also such a thing as too much of it and again you can tell when that level is reached by observing his reaction.If you don't feel comfortable speaking to him then maybe he is not the one for you.

For the record, it is not about me and my goal is to raise and discuss an issue that I consider of importance.
By the way, I have tried to discuss the issue with an Armenian woman and all I got is "I agree so I can't add anything" as if she was avoiding the subject.

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

"Haykakan, I would expect you with your vast knowledge and wisdom to be able to lead the younger Armenian's in this forum in the right direction"
Yeh thats partly what i am trying to do but i guess you are somehow implying that i am not?While on this subject i would like to point out that since you started arguing with me in these forums you have become more comprehendable and less hostile although you still have some ways to go.I am also happy that you agree getting married too young is probably not a good idea especially when its to a much older bald dude with a gutt.
Our culture like everyone elses changes and perhaps more so then others because we are forced to live in other lands and end up absorbing some of their culture into ours.Our culture is rich with literature,song,dance... along with our long and partly sad history.We are all experiencing what our culture has become and it is something a bit different in one part of the world and a bit different again in another but we all are part of a basic Armenian culture and history which is truely amazing and that is what makes us all Armenian.Having said all this there is no reason to not criticise even the most amazing of things if you see things that need criticising.Nothing is perfect or untouchable and there is always room for improvement.