Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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Thanks for the explanation Pedro. Is "Latino" a better term to use?

Linguistically yes, and to an extent culturally, you see, Latino was coined as short for Latino American by the French, when they wanted us to be part of their empire and drive the Anglos out, they did take over Mexico for a short while though, until we regained independence during the Cinco de Mayo timeline (let it be noted though that in general Native Americans were not treated cruelly by the French, and the French were actually quite friendly towards us)

But yes, most prefer that, irrespective of race or ethnicity, however best bet is to ask someone where in Latin American they are from and just use that term, our own term for people of Native American descent (partially or fully) is Nican Tlaca (comes from my language, Nahuatl) meaning directly Native People.

As said though, Latino is fine, but Hispanic might be cause for offence as for instance Mayans would be called Hispanic, while not having an ounce of Spanish blood or even speaking the language as 2 Million Mayans in Yucatan.

[Joseph]

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Hispanic is a blanket term coined by the US government to refer to anyone of any ethnicity, race or nationality who speaks Spanish as their main language (whether indigenously or colonized), so it depends on what you mean by Hispanic, most Cubans for example are either Spanish or mixed Spanish and African, culturally some elements of the indigenous Tainos survived.

Now Mexicans are on the other Native either completely or primarily, hence we have different beliefs, folklore, opinions and so forth, for instance politically Cuban Americans and Mexicans nearly never get along

Thanks for the explanation Pedro. Is "Latino" a better term to use?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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Greeks, Italians, and Hispanics have "old world values" too

Hispanic is a blanket term coined by the US government to refer to anyone of any ethnicity, race or nationality who speaks Spanish as their main language (whether indigenously or colonized), so it depends on what you mean by Hispanic, most Cubans for example are either Spanish or mixed Spanish and African, culturally some elements of the indigenous Tainos survived.

Now Mexicans are on the other Native either completely or primarily, hence we have different beliefs, folklore, opinions and so forth, for instance politically Cuban Americans and Mexicans nearly never get along

[NightOwl]

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Greeks, Italians, and Hispanics have "old world values" too

[Wowie]

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Obviously not all women fall into that category I describe, but many do. Those that don't are the rarities of rarities.

In my insignificant life, having been raised in a very traditional and by modern standards ("old world") Armenian family with "old world" Armenian values, I find that most women with whom I interact with I could never have a serious relationship for precisely those reasons. The sad part is, many of the Armenian women are what I am referring too. If I ask myself: "Can I see this woman as being a wife?" or "Do I see her as being a mother?" My answer to both questions is a negative.

I often find myself in the same circumstances concerning todays Armenian men and friends in general. It is a truly unfortunate trend that has become increasingly widespread among the youth and future generations. Coming across a gentleman with the "old world" Armenian values in which i was raised with dwindles with time, as if trying to find a needle within a haystack.

[KanadaHye]

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The War has nothing to do with Prods vs Catholics, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmPbC...eature=related

And I never said I dont believe in love???

I know the war has nothing to do with the Prods vs Catholics, but the media spins it in that direction.... as usual it's England and 007 sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

I’ll make you laugh, I’m a very old woman, born in Paris with Armenian parents. My grand-mother criticized the French girls and women who wore bra. She found that indecent. When I was 14 years old, she sewed for me a kind of cloth corset to tighten my bust. I did not keep it a very long time.

Not sure if I'm alone on this but I'll throw it out there for the guys. I think those old style corsets in my opinion look a lot better.... they give that hourglass appearance and make cleavage more defining. Ou la la. Especially those old bar maid outfits

Thanks for the laugh Kiffer . I believe fashion dictates what is popular and what society perceives as being attractive. There is no such thing as old fashioned because old things become new and new things become old.... its just a matter of time. If a couple hollywood stars began wearing corsets... guess what... it would become popular again.

[Kiffer]

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I’ll make you laugh, I’m a very old woman, born in Paris with Armenian parents. My grand-mother criticized the French girls and women who wore bra. She found that indecent. When I was 14 years old, she sewed for me a kind of cloth corset to tighten my bust. I did not keep it a very long time.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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Hmmm.... I agree with you here. Although I think America (through pop culture) and Europe (through fashion and modeling) are perverting the beauty of the female body. But that's for an entirely different topic. As far as Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. go... civility is something that has to develop slowly through society. Going from one extreme to the next through intervention by other cultures (Americ....cough) is like taking an ape, dressing it up in clothes and calling it a man. The men in these cultures have been so used to their way of life (not by their own choice, it's the way that they have been raised to perceive society) that by another culture coming in and interfering is what causes the men to go "ape". This is the point I've been trying to make, our Armenian culture isn't repressive.... its tasteful, it develops self esteem and security for the woman. However, that's only if they are RESPECTED by the men. Unfortunately, being exposed to other demeaning cultures, some of our men have lost this respect and have lowered themselves to the mentality of apes. I don't know how else to express my point of view. Imagine submersing yourself in luke-warm water and slowly turning up the temperature, you would slowly adapt to the change in your environment. Now, if you were to jump right into scolding hot water, there would be an instant shock to your system. I think this is what they call culture shock.



My best friend growing up was Irish, his father was Catholic, and his mother was Protestant... and no they weren't trying to kill each other



This model of behavior would work if everyone was classless and lived on the same social-economic level. I'm not sure which society you live in

And I don't see how you can learn to love when you've already admitted it doesn't exist.

The War has nothing to do with Prods vs Catholics, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmPbC...eature=related

And I never said I dont believe in love???

[retro]

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I'm sick of these threads that try to put our Armenian women under corrupt western values. No! Armenian women should remain under Armenian, family culture, not some stupid American culture (if you can call it culture). If armenian women follow under American culture they turn into kim kardashian and I think you know what happens then.

The kim kardashian's of this world are only temporal and not only are they execrated but quite rightly ostracised from all forms of decent society.

Armenian women would do well to preserve both there peoples honour and cultural identity. Your right about the west it has been largely subverted by various malevolent forces and it's self obsessed, dysfunctional, decadent, mass mindedness is on no level to be emulated.

[KanadaHye]

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Why do men go to Yerevan to bring back brides? I'm not passing judgement at all, I really want to know WHY. What reason do they have to go to a different country when there are so many Armenian women in the U.S?

I believe Lenny Kravitz said it best "American woman, stay away from me."

I really feel like our culture puts a lot of pressure on both the men and women that try to make lives in the U.S., because face it, the men are raised to be "breadwinners" but realize that in this country it's difficult to keep a family with one paycheck.

Right now, it's difficult with 3 paychecks. Realize that Armenian men are already at a disadvantage in America where all the good, high paying jobs are handed down generation to generation by Americans in the good "ole" white boys clubs.

At the same time, society is so overly sexualized that a lot of women MAY feel torn apart that from their family they are hearing that not even an ounce of sexuality is appropriate, while when they go to school/work they get flooded with sexualized images. Way to mess with peoples heads.

The whole world is kinda screwed here. Too late to fix matters now. I don't know where you work but I have a feeling I'd enjoy the environment If you're getting flooded with images at school where you're supposed to be receiving an education... I guess parents are already at a great disadvantage.

And please, do NOT tell me that Armenian men don't beat their wives. I don't know an appropriate percentage because Armenians are notorious for keeping things on the "down-low," but seriously. Just because they walk into a room with smiles doesn't mean they weren't at eachother's throats 5 min. ago.

Not sure how to comment on this one since abuse isn't related to ethnicity. I'm not sure where they pick up this behaviour.... although verbal abuse maybe common on both ends, it takes a real wimp to hit a woman.

I personally know that many of these women are in fact oppressed. They are told by their fathers/boyfriends/husbands what to wear, what to say, how to act, how much makeup to put on, what to learn in school, etc. etc. And a lot of times when they don't "act appropriately" they face the consequences for their actions.

Strange.... most western Armenian men are told what to wear by their wives. My father couldn't dress himself if his life depended on it The women usually know how to dress and act, after all it's up to them to maintain culture.

In theory, this is all great because it gives more value to Armenian women because they are "raised well" and are "pure," but these standards seem to be more forced than anything. That's where it gets nasty.

It shouldn't be forced, it should come natural... but there are other forces and influences at play.

Just throwing some ideas out there. I'm not b/s-ing I've seen all of this stuff myself, this isn't hearsay. Let me know what you think.

I enjoyed reading your post. Thanks.