Does anyone feel like me?

[Gavur]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Did anyone ever think that life is a 2 way street?No matter with who, you will only get out what you put in to any relationship.Whenever someone accuses anyone (let alone a whole group!) they are in most cases are projecting they're own shortcomings and inadequacies on the "Other".Remember thine is your worst enemy, and mature up!

[Lika]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Hey all. I am an Armenian American who is as Armenian as I am American. I value the idea of acculturation and assimulation into the American lifestyle. But here is what I have felt since a teenager. I am quite embarrassed of the Armenians in Southern California. Many of the men are deceitful, un-honorable, backstabbing, gangsta dressing, chevunistic pig like, woman bashing, con artist, cigerette smoking, having low self esteems (yet covering up for it), badly dressed, uncooperative, drama starting, nuerotic, evil thinking, money worshipping, and have superiority complex.

Now the women are devious, snakish, deceitful, man hating, personality lacking, anti-fun, miserable, hateful, non-flirtatious, power hungry, unhonorable, sneaky, valueless, and spiriteless women.

The dating life between Armenian men and women is almost non existant compared to other races.

The level of trust in groups of Armenians is at least childishly sad.

The immaturity of adult Armenians makes you think they are teenagers stuck in a 30 year old mans body.

The reflection given back to other races in Southern Cali is disgraceful and bad for our diaspora as far as oppurtinities go.

And to top it off, most Armenians are very nuerotic and will do almost anything for the tiniest, weeniest bit of power over another Armenian. While Armenians are going after crumbs, other races are going after mountains of wealth while in complete cooperation of each other.

Armenians burn and betray each other like it's a sport. They only team up when there is a common enemy.

Armenians outside of Southern California talk about how So Cal Armenians eat each other for lunch.

Armenians take pride in being devious. One Armenian name I saw a female have in an Armenian dating site was "Vicious". She was obviously proud of the fact that she was, at least, trying to be vicious. Who in their right mind would respond to an ad like that?

Armenians in So Cal seem to be in a constant state of fear, and mental anguish, yet are unwilling to admit their problems in fear of being ridiculed.

Armenians in So Cal are in heavy denial.

There is a lot of mental abuse going on in most Armenian homes, that is done in such a covert way, noone can prove it. Parents mentally abuse their children as they were once abused, and the children pass that on to their kids.

I never see Armenians genuinly happy for each other. There always is a sense of jealousy.

In this community, the book lover is labeled a nerd, the enthusiastic girl is labeled a xxxxx, the man who dresses like a gentlemen is labeled a p**ssy, the divorced elder woman who desires to get married is labeled a xxxxx or a milf, the less aggressive men are labeled gay, the kind loving girl who is happy in life is also labeled a xxxxx, the personality or character types are demonized for their valueable asset of self expression, and the list goes on.

Brothers don't even trust each other. There is havoc in homes. Children are taught to disassociate with "otars".

God forbid if an Armenian man dates an Asian or Black. As if they are subhuman.

Armenian women are forced to have sexual intercourse with otars due to their fear of being labeled a xxxxx.

Armenian women like black men for their uncanny ability of self expression, which is highly lacking in Armenian men.

We are all taught to be boring, unenthusiastic fools or else we are ridiculed.

Children don't have the oppurtinity to discover themselves.

Hell, I can keep going with this.

To me, the Armenian community in So Cal is a frieking disaster! And we are in constant denial of it as if we are doing good for the community in denying it.

We are taught to be self serving, self serving, or selfish pigs with no personalities or love towards anyone. No culture on earth is spiritually seperated as we are. We try to justify ourselves by pointing at a handful of flaws other cultures have, and yet, ignore the enourmous amount of flaws right here in our own culture!

For heaven's sake. I am Armenian. I have able to see this and speak freely about it, no matter the reprucutions. The only way to fix something is first to acknowledge it, not deny it or cover it up.

I have befriended all races and creeds. Each race has had its own set of problems, but..... nothing, and I mean nothing compared to the problems we have. For a long time, we have denied many of our intercultural problems, and therefore, they were never fixed, and therefore, they are exploding in size and number. This is drowning all Armenians, and giving no hope to the future Armenians.

We need to encourage diversity and practice a bit of brotherly love, and respect for Gods sake. Not put each other down anytime we rise, or express ourselves. And I'm not talking about hatred disguised as love. Real respect towards each other is considered honorable amongst any other race. Respect is respect. We need to remember, we weren't born perfect and we can't put down those who are in their growth process, even if they make mistakes. If we are accepting gay Armenian in the community, then why not just accept all Armenians? Why not only befriend Armenians with an open mind and a clean spirit? They are hard to find, very. I personally only discriminate against those I find to be mean spirited, jealous, and malicious. These are disgusting qualities to have. I personally befriend loving, confident, respectful, easy going, caring, and optimistic people. And I find them to be so often the successful ones!

When and how are we all going to learn these qualities? How many years of torment do we have to bring on our own kind until we realize that this isn't working? How many years of public humiliation while other races are calling us God damn morons because they see these horrible qualities in us? How many times have you overheard them saying how much they hate us? And believe me, they know how vicious Armenians are and wouldn't dare say it near one, so if you have heard it, it's only a tiny percentage of all the hatred they have for us. And NO, its not because they are "hatin" or jealous like many Armenians think! It's because they think we are evil... and in evil there is darkness, and in darkness everyone is blind and falls over their own two feet. This is the biggest problem. Armenians have it all confused. Instead of being proud to be decieftful, vicious, money loving, gangsta, or whatever, we need to be proud of being as honorable as we possibly can be, like much of the rest of the world thinks. Holy sh*t, when are we going to learn? How many times does the criminal have to go to jail, get gang raped, beaten, and betrayed to see that crime doesn't pay? Do you see what I am saying? It's a horrible situation - at least here in SoCal it is.

To be fair, I am prominently talking about SoCal. I have heard the Armenians in Armenia are in much better shape than we are here. And also, I would like to proclaim that I am Armenian. And I am Hayastanci, probably the Armenian type with the most severe of all problems. I have personally faced my demons and confirmed my own problems as I was growing up, and I have done everything and anything to be as honorable of a person as I can be, which cleaned up most of my problems overtime.

The idea is not to be the snake, but to be the sheep, and yet be sharper than the snake (verse in Bible).

There is no honor, no value, and no pride in being a snake. Especially one dressed in sheeps clothing.

Again, this is on behalf of SoCal Armenians. I have seen some beautiful Armenians in Europe and still have to vacation in Armenia. This is from the bottom of my heart. I can forsee further damaging affects on the psyches' of Armenians if this mayham continues. Also, I know that not Armenians are like this. But here is something you have to realize. Even if 20% are as described, that is 1 out of every 5 Armenians! That means if you go into a room full of 50 Armenians, the 10 wandering around screw it up for the rest of us!

To be successful in a culture, the bottom class should be at 3% or lower.

Speaking of class, shame on those who practice evil and yet claim to be high class. Being high class isn't the way you dress or how well you pronouce words you moron, its about honor and value.

And if you are one of the uncofident types. Suck it up and practice the art of honor. Don't let anything turn you into a classless piece of xxxx. Because if you think you have problems now, wait until you fully depreciate in being one of the classless types. It gets much worst.

The one thing I've learned in life is that when one attempts to gain honor, he gains strength. One who attempts to be a danger to others, end up dying in shame and in dishonor, and probably spiritually alone and unhappy.

I hope this is read with an open mind. And please no stupid comments with gangsta talk, profanity, or put downs. If you want to discuss this intellectually, feel free to agree or disagree like an adult would.

Thank you

Hi. I think even sociologists are unable to give a definite solution to the problems of Armenians. I am also originally from Armenia living in England; I also saw all sorts of Armenians and guess what now I do not want to start friendship with anybody as all they want is to use you and you resources until you won’t be needed then they will forget you. It is typical of us Armenians. In Armenia it is different as they are embarrassed sometimes and cover up. There is a nice saying ‘One Armenian is too few 2 Armenians are too many’ now in Armenian – Mi hay@ qicha, erku hay@ shat. You make the conclusions… good luck and do not feel you are the only person feeling this way, even those who do not want to admit it because they are too proud Armenians they must have thought about it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Pure and simple: LA is probably the only place in the world where you can go skiing in the morning, drive to the beach for a romantic evening, catch an opera or a play, go to a jazz club or a hole-in-the wall cafe, watch any of a number of live pro sporting events, or go to a modern art gallery, go to one of the worlds most popular amusement parks, or visit one of the MANY highly recognizeable landmarks, go to an Armenian play or dance, or just sit your ass at home and watch a 24 hour Armenian TV channel.

It can offer you opportunities in pretty much ANY avenue you might want to pursue .. both good and bad. Career development, education, entertainment industry exposure, potential for achieving great celebrity, or to just disappear among the masses of people and lead an "average" life ... all these things are very possible in LA. For the ambitious, talented, motivated, or just the under-achievers ... LA has it all.

Once again, I really can't imagine anywhere else in the world that can offer so much to so many.

I agree, it's great when you're single and still living at home... I don't see too many Armenians eager to start a family though... it's not such a great place to start a family.

[Mos]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

When I went to Glendale I loved it. It was like mini-Yerevan, feels good to be around fellow Hayastancis. We went to buy a luggage piece at a store there also, and of course the person there was Armenian so we talked to him a little and got the luggage for half price. However, no place is better than Yerevan. I could never live in California also because it is on the other side of the world relative to Armenia and far away from Europe.

[Sip]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Pure and simple: LA is probably the only place in the world where you can go skiing in the morning, drive to the beach for a romantic evening, catch an opera or a play, go to a jazz club or a hole-in-the wall cafe, watch any of a number of live pro sporting events, or go to a modern art gallery, go to one of the worlds most popular amusement parks, or visit one of the MANY highly recognizeable landmarks, go to an Armenian play or dance, or just sit your ass at home and watch a 24 hour Armenian TV channel.

It can offer you opportunities in pretty much ANY avenue you might want to pursue .. both good and bad. Career development, education, entertainment industry exposure, potential for achieving great celebrity, or to just disappear among the masses of people and lead an "average" life ... all these things are very possible in LA. For the ambitious, talented, motivated, or just the under-achievers ... LA has it all.

Once again, I really can't imagine anywhere else in the world that can offer so much to so many.

[hrai]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Ideology,
You seem to be an educated older person. You have some issues with LA and or your own self-esteem. You've travelled the world but gravitated back to LA. WHY?

Another slant on this depressive situation, is that you actually gravitated back to there because you're subconsciously drawn to the city and you're actually "feeding the beast"
You're an adult for God's sake, grow up and get the hell out of Dodge.

[hrai]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

I know a hot topic was brought up in a movie called "The Secret". It talks about attracting positive things in your life. Well, I still say that movie was only partially true, and I'm under the impression the author originally had profits in mind when writing the script.

Here is something I discovered when travelling around the world. It's something called "energy". It's like a spiritual feeling. For example, if someone walks into one of those wealthy, holy temples in Rome, they should, more than likely, feel good inside. Armenian churches give a similar feeling. People generally feel good. Now going to skid row on a Saturday night, might make you feel bad, because of the bad energy around that area. (And I mean BAD energy). All kinds of crimes have occured there, all the shattered dreams, the hopelesness of the homeless, and the suffering create this big ball of bad "energy" that is felt by anyone who crosses the area.

So, about 5 years ago, while living in different places of the US and the world, I discovered what energy was. I also realized that I can give my own energy to enhance the enviremont that I am in. I worked on it, and nearly became a master of this phenomonon. One animal that has this instinct of good energy, and an abundance of it, is the dog. The wagging tail, tongue out, and always happy to see you brings good energy. It is the only animal that doesn't have to work, or hunt for it's food. Humans buy them and take care of them for a reason.

Anyhow, the world has changed in this new millinium. I have seen the fall of some horrible things. For example, people were once facinated and almost looked up to gangsters, and now gangsters are looked as a menace.

And another important point is that many parts of the world have a steady flow of good energy in them. South America, Western Europe, and Miami, Florida are perfect examples of this. Although, this trend has increased in great magnitude throughout many parts of the world.

Energy is a complex matter and a person giving positive energy on a consistent basis will probably have a bright future ahead of himself. I'll talk a little more about the possibilites later. But first, lets talk about LA as a whole and the pending problem.

I believe LA as a city is highly, and I mean highly lacking positive energy in the air. Overall, these posts of people being self absorbed, and not caring about anyone but themselves (not much) probably is the core reason behind so much negative energy in this city. I'll show you as much proof as I can, because societies with a lack of positive energy create 4 types of people, who further ruin the city. And the only reason I figured any of this out myself, was because I was in societies with such an abundance of positive energy, that it filled up my tank, so to speak, to a point where I learned what it was and learned to intensify good energy wherever I went. (By the way, this is probably how psychics work. They probably sense energy off of you and then give you a reading.)

Ok, lets say LA was once great in the 50's and 60's. Lets say something (the movie industry?) brought people to a point of being so self absorbed and selfish, fake and so on. Since everyone was taking, noone was really giving. Overtime, people souls went unfed and huge problems errupted. Here are some of the types of personalites that are produced in a society that takes and tries not to give much.

1. The predator - Examples: Gangsters, thugs, tough guys, vicious beings, ect... And we all know, LA is the mecha of gangbanging and thugs. These are also beings that need energy. So rather getting it the natural way (low supply of good energy), they take it. If they are not going to be respected as every human being deserves, they take their respect through fear and intimidation.

2. The interegator - This type of person feels by interegating someone, he has their full focus and power over the person. He puts others on the defensive and always asks them to explain themselves. He is getting the attention he seeks because their is a lack of it in the society.

3. The complainer - This type of person gets attention by complaining (I probably have developed this problem myself). People are usually more focused on someone who is complaining and hears them out.

4. The aloof - This type of person is disconnected from his surrounding. He may look different than what is norm. (examples include lots of tatoos, poorly kept, shocking to look at). He gets his attention from being as different as possible than the norm.

It seems we have tons of these types in LA. The root cause has to be a lack of spiritual connection between people. It's kind of hard to understand if you haven't lived anywhere else, but I've seen how much closer people are to each other elsewhere. In fact, I deducted LA as being a place where people are so close to each other, yet so far apart when I came back here.

So, in essense, Armenians, in SoCal, did assimilate into the culture that was already here. That's why everyone who comes back from Armenia looks like they just hit the lotto. Probably because the energy situation out there is through the roof!

A lot of people in LA used to tell me not to move because "Your just on vacation. That feeling will go away when you live there." They turned out to be wrong. That feeling was there every single day, year after year.

Here's an interesting story of a positive note and a negative note that happened to me a few days ago. I went to a nice barber shop to get a haircut. A beautiful Middle Easter woman was cutting my hair. She was full of life and positive energy. She was overly attentive to anyone who walked into her salon, full of life, and personality. I immediately realized she wasn't from LA. I asked her where she was from and how long she's been in LA. She said she's been here for 6 months and she's from San Diego. "How did you know I'm not from here" she said. "I just know". I didn't want to give her a bad impression of LA since she made such a big move to get here. Although, I did tell her to always keep an exit strategy in case she doesn't like it. Now, there was another Middle Eastern woman in the shop. She seemed to be the clean up crew person. She looked to be about 30. The woman from San Diego asked her to go put some music on for entertainment. So that 30 year old went and put on a very sad song. The barber asked her nicely to change the song before we all start crying. The 30 year old, after questioning her about it, said, and I quote, "I don't know how". The first thing I though was, "What! You don't know how to change the song from number 1 to number 2? But you do know how to press play? WTF?" So this chick claimed that she didn't know how to change the song. She also put on a very depressing song to begin with. The main point of this story is that I find a lot of very dumb people like this in LA. Even the San Diego girl appeared to be in shock, but nicely told her how to do it.

The thing with energy is that these monologues are in danger of sapping the energy from anyone reading them.

[Mukuch]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

sorry, I don't remember how to read Armenian.

So you are unalphabeted, plus to everything ?

Well my advise is go learn to read before attempting to write in such considerable volumes and without any considerable substance.

[Ideology]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

I know a hot topic was brought up in a movie called "The Secret". It talks about attracting positive things in your life. Well, I still say that movie was only partially true, and I'm under the impression the author originally had profits in mind when writing the script.

Here is something I discovered when travelling around the world. It's something called "energy". It's like a spiritual feeling. For example, if someone walks into one of those wealthy, holy temples in Rome, they should, more than likely, feel good inside. Armenian churches give a similar feeling. People generally feel good. Now going to skid row on a Saturday night, might make you feel bad, because of the bad energy around that area. (And I mean BAD energy). All kinds of crimes have occured there, all the shattered dreams, the hopelesness of the homeless, and the suffering create this big ball of bad "energy" that is felt by anyone who crosses the area.

So, about 5 years ago, while living in different places of the US and the world, I discovered what energy was. I also realized that I can give my own energy to enhance the enviremont that I am in. I worked on it, and nearly became a master of this phenomonon. One animal that has this instinct of good energy, and an abundance of it, is the dog. The wagging tail, tongue out, and always happy to see you brings good energy. It is the only animal that doesn't have to work, or hunt for it's food. Humans buy them and take care of them for a reason.

Anyhow, the world has changed in this new millinium. I have seen the fall of some horrible things. For example, people were once facinated and almost looked up to gangsters, and now gangsters are looked as a menace.

And another important point is that many parts of the world have a steady flow of good energy in them. South America, Western Europe, and Miami, Florida are perfect examples of this. Although, this trend has increased in great magnitude throughout many parts of the world.

Energy is a complex matter and a person giving positive energy on a consistent basis will probably have a bright future ahead of himself. I'll talk a little more about the possibilites later. But first, lets talk about LA as a whole and the pending problem.

I believe LA as a city is highly, and I mean highly lacking positive energy in the air. Overall, these posts of people being self absorbed, and not caring about anyone but themselves (not much) probably is the core reason behind so much negative energy in this city. I'll show you as much proof as I can, because societies with a lack of positive energy create 4 types of people, who further ruin the city. And the only reason I figured any of this out myself, was because I was in societies with such an abundance of positive energy, that it filled up my tank, so to speak, to a point where I learned what it was and learned to intensify good energy wherever I went. (By the way, this is probably how psychics work. They probably sense energy off of you and then give you a reading.)

Ok, lets say LA was once great in the 50's and 60's. Lets say something (the movie industry?) brought people to a point of being so self absorbed and selfish, fake and so on. Since everyone was taking, noone was really giving. Overtime, people souls went unfed and huge problems errupted. Here are some of the types of personalites that are produced in a society that takes and tries not to give much.

1. The predator - Examples: Gangsters, thugs, tough guys, vicious beings, ect... And we all know, LA is the mecha of gangbanging and thugs. These are also beings that need energy. So rather getting it the natural way (low supply of good energy), they take it. If they are not going to be respected as every human being deserves, they take their respect through fear and intimidation.

2. The interegator - This type of person feels by interegating someone, he has their full focus and power over the person. He puts others on the defensive and always asks them to explain themselves. He is getting the attention he seeks because their is a lack of it in the society.

3. The complainer - This type of person gets attention by complaining (I probably have developed this problem myself). People are usually more focused on someone who is complaining and hears them out.

4. The aloof - This type of person is disconnected from his surrounding. He may look different than what is norm. (examples include lots of tatoos, poorly kept, shocking to look at). He gets his attention from being as different as possible than the norm.

It seems we have tons of these types in LA. The root cause has to be a lack of spiritual connection between people. It's kind of hard to understand if you haven't lived anywhere else, but I've seen how much closer people are to each other elsewhere. In fact, I deducted LA as being a place where people are so close to each other, yet so far apart when I came back here.

So, in essense, Armenians, in SoCal, did assimilate into the culture that was already here. That's why everyone who comes back from Armenia looks like they just hit the lotto. Probably because the energy situation out there is through the roof!

A lot of people in LA used to tell me not to move because "Your just on vacation. That feeling will go away when you live there." They turned out to be wrong. That feeling was there every single day, year after year.

Here's an interesting story of a positive note and a negative note that happened to me a few days ago. I went to a nice barber shop to get a haircut. A beautiful Middle Easter woman was cutting my hair. She was full of life and positive energy. She was overly attentive to anyone who walked into her salon, full of life, and personality. I immediately realized she wasn't from LA. I asked her where she was from and how long she's been in LA. She said she's been here for 6 months and she's from San Diego. "How did you know I'm not from here" she said. "I just know". I didn't want to give her a bad impression of LA since she made such a big move to get here. Although, I did tell her to always keep an exit strategy in case she doesn't like it. Now, there was another Middle Eastern woman in the shop. She seemed to be the clean up crew person. She looked to be about 30. The woman from San Diego asked her to go put some music on for entertainment. So that 30 year old went and put on a very sad song. The barber asked her nicely to change the song before we all start crying. The 30 year old, after questioning her about it, said, and I quote, "I don't know how". The first thing I though was, "What! You don't know how to change the song from number 1 to number 2? But you do know how to press play? WTF?" So this chick claimed that she didn't know how to change the song. She also put on a very depressing song to begin with. The main point of this story is that I find a lot of very dumb people like this in LA. Even the San Diego girl appeared to be in shock, but nicely told her how to do it.

[Ideology]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Oh wow o wow. I did some research. And I found a connection with SoCal and the rest of the world. Now I see why Armenia is so highly praised by American Armenians who vacation there. And now I see why the vacationers look so relaxed when they come back from a 2 week trip. This is facinating. I will post it in the next post. It explains everything.