Eurovision

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eurovision

Don't worry about it Siggie, Hellektor doesn't realize I was just picking his brain. Well, maybe he does now....

I agree with you and I appreciate your spirit.

[Hellektor]

Attention Siggie!

On a related note, you're complaining about these other users getting personal, etc., however a couple posts up, you insult KanadaHye by asking him if he's a Turk.

Dear Siggie,

Don't mind me replying, just read the posts between me and KanadaHye from the beginning to know why I asked him that, while I very well know calling an Armenian Turk is an insult. I ASKED him if he was (didn't call him), given his constant circumventing the issue and insisting that fake “Azerbaijan's” free and malicious translation of the term Azarbaijan into “Land of Fire” was totally OK, while he called my explanations with ample historical facts nothing but Armenian propaganda (strange coming from an Armenian, don't you think? Even more so coming from one with Hye in their nick) and accused me of “Claiming Azarbaijan means "Land of Atropat" and not "land of fire" for political purposes [thus] misleading”.

I didn't report the abuse to get users banned. If I were a mod, I wouldn't ban anyone which would make me a “bad” mod. I only wanted to kindly ask you not to delete the whole thread. I did this, because this has happened in the past many a time and at least a hundred posts of mine, many of them long and entirely typed, have been lost. No problems with KanadaHye though. Our discussion did not cross the red lines IMHO and was in the limits of civilized yet heated debates.

[Lucin]

Re: Eurovision

I agree with Hellektor, he has posted some very important information in this thread and some harmless words between members shouldn't discount his posts.

I agree with you and I appreciate your spirit.

[Siggie]

Re: Attention Mods!

Dear mods,

In the past, many a thread has been removed because a number of users started to get personal. Given the time I put in typing my long posts, I constantly come across a decrease of my post count by 20 or 30 when a thread like this disappears because some users start getting personal.

If you are trying to clean up a thread from personal abuse, please don't delete or close the whole thread and just address the users/posts with personal abuse.

Thanks in advance

You should have contacted us rather than posting in this in a thread and hoping we find it.
Threads sometimes need to be closed (and that doesn't affect your post count or whether you can read it), but certainly if it's an issue of deleting we do try to salvage what we can of a thread rather than deleting it. Now, if you post something that breaks the rules, then we cannot always go through and edit your post to remove that content.

On a related note, you're complaining about these other users getting personal, etc., however a couple posts up, you insult KanadaHye by asking him if he's a Turk. Clearly, you know that an Armenian would find that insulting or you would not have said it. That is itself a violation of the rules. Now if insults like that were buried throughout your post, the moderators can't be expected to spend the kind of time it takes to edit out all the offending parts.

Do NOT reply to this post here... I am making a copy of your request and reply in the Support Section and you can reply there by following the link below.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=16776

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eurovision

Much yev Saco, yerguknida yergiraserek.Iraruyet ters yertalu badjarmi bedk che ella.Chi vaylergo tsezi.

I agree with Hellektor, he has posted some very important information in this thread and some harmless words between members shouldn't discount his posts.

[Gavur]

Re: Eurovision

Much yev Saco, yerguknida yergiraserek.Iraruyet ters yertalu badjarmi bedk che ella.Chi vaylergo tsezi.

[Hellektor]

Attention Mods!

Dear mods,

In the past, many a thread has been removed because a number of users started to get personal. Given the time I put in typing my long posts, I constantly come across a decrease of my post count by 20 or 30 when a thread like this disappears because some users start getting personal.

If you are trying to clean up a thread from personal abuse, please don't delete or close the whole thread and just address the users/posts with personal abuse.

Thanks in advance

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eurovision

The whole passage above is full of fallacious argumentation, circumventing the issue, sophistry and nothing else. You desperately try to avoid the question and you even avoided to cut the crap that I had ask you to: are you a Turk?

I might become one if you keep insisting that I am.

[Hellektor]

Re: Eurovision

Thank you Hellektor for the explanation, I had read this by the way in your 'thingy'. I should have been more careful with the nuances...

Thanks dear for having spent the time reading the thingy! Yet I don't remember where it was that you weren't “careful with the nuances”, you must be talking about a post I have missed.

[Hellektor]

Re: Eurovision

I understand that Atropat is the name of a General or Warrior and the land was named after him. I also understand that Atropatekan means land that (belongs to or attributed to) Atropat. Unless you make that distinction, going directly from Azarbaijan to "Land of Atropat" wouldn't make sense unless you explain the history.

You even broke down the meaning of Atropat with relation to FIRE and you're rejecting your own claim for the sole purpose of distinguishing the differences between historical territories. Teaching history and changing language which many people currently understand it to be just to accomodate history doesn't make sense to me even if the language was changed to distort history. You have to be entirely TRANSPARENT if you want to uncover the truth.

Your entire explanation for how Azarbaijan got named isn't in question... but your constant assertion that it has nothing to do with fire from a linguistic point of view is senseless unless you explain the history. I don't deny that Azarbaijan is a fabricated state that didn't exist prior to 1918.

The whole passage above is full of fallacious argumentation, circumventing the issue, sophistry and nothing else. You desperately try to avoid the question and you even avoided to cut the crap that I had ask you to: are you a Turk?

You are trying to discard irrefutable historical facts coming from thousands of years and confirmed by countless historians from any given nation, creed, civilization who wrote about the region, and give credence to historic falsifications concocted in the mid 20th century by pan-Turkist distorians of the caliber of Ziya Bunyatov.

I refuse to buy what you are selling. History is relevant, more so when the genocidal, murderous, destructive falsifiers are avoiding it for the purpose of legitimizing their evil, pan-Turkist goals. You are feeding the genocidal savages by discarding historic facts and stubbornly yet desperately trying to draw me in a futile “discussion” about a more futile issue.

The use of the maliciously fabricated term “Land of Fire” by the genocidal, warmongering Tatars of yesterday and “Azeris” of today is to serve their pan-Turkist agenda and I will fight it and I'll refuse to give legitimacy to it by buying this stinking, rotten garbage you are hopelessly trying to sell me. I have responded clearly, amply and with foolproof examples that what you claim is total Azercowdung and I will refrain from discussing it further.

I will not go further into this and I won't reply any of your fallacious posts regarding this issue, because it has been proved to me you are part of the clan that feeds the pan-Turkist agenda. Don't think by replying this you will be the one who said the last word.