Learning Armenian from Armenian people

[ashot24]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Io parlo armeno, persiano, francese, inglese correntemente, e un po italiano e arabo.

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Vochinch Ashot jan. No need to be sorry, we as 'native-speakers' make tons of mistakes of different nature in our conversations on a daily basis.

Շարունակիր աշխատանքդ եւ հարցումներդ հարցրու, քանի որ շատ տեղին են:

OK Lucin jan, thank you

Well, as for your message, I think I understand what you say but I really am confused on how it is written...well, first let me try to tell you if I am right in my translation:

"Continue the job and the inquiring-asking" and the other part I know I am wrong but I understand it like "as very much by the way"...I am wrong don't I?

Could you please explain me the grammar here? I really am confused with this and also could you please translate it the right way? Oh yes, and this little questions:

Does adding -դ at the end of an action has any particular meaning?
"Քանի որ"...what does this means, because as I knew it means "as"?

And finally this word "տեղին", according to the dictionary means "by the way" or "duly", but I guess in the sentences means something else, right?


Oh and I had some little questions about songs if you wouldn't mind answering them what does "Քանի վուր" means? Like the Sayat Nova song "Qani vur jan im"...
oh and what does "Կեցցե" means? Like in "Gini Lits'" when its sung "Kets'e: Hayots' hamarvorė" and finally what does "Gini Lits'" mean ...I know "Gini" means "whine", but "Lits'"??

Now I've asked a lot of questions...
Thanks Lucin, oh and by the way SHNORHAVOR AKAKHUTYUN ORĖ

[Lucin]

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Tu

Io parlo armeno, persiano, francese, inglese correntemente, e un po italiano e arabo.

Ok thanks Lucin, that helps a lot...sorry for the unknowledge

Vochinch Ashot jan. No need to be sorry, we as 'native-speakers' make tons of mistakes of different nature in our conversations on a daily basis.

Շարունակիր աշխատանքդ եւ հարցումներդ հարցրու, քանի որ շատ տեղին են:

[ashot24]

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Chi?

Tu

No, it's not uniquely a WA thing, though the tenses/ moods are translated differently in the dialects. In EA, կը սիրեմ/ կը գրեմ / կը բերեմ would fit in the future conditional mood. I just thought you wanted to use the conditional, but you could have said; շատ ջանք եմ ներդնում: That would be of course the present indicative mood.

Ok thanks Lucin, that helps a lot...sorry for the unknowledge

Sorry, I didn't notice you had said "ուզեմ". That is wrong again. No shortening is allowed. You should say "ես ուզում եմ" or "ուզում եմ", omitting the subject.

Ok, So i have been doing it wrong...thanks!! You really help me a lot


Thanks Lucin!

[Lucin]

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I think there is more of a "feminine dialect" ruled by laws of speech, grammar and vocabulary rather than a feminine language. It's like listening to another dialect! For example sometimes, in whatever language it is, when I listen to women speaking to each other, it's so cool to see how with one look, or with one words that men can think is "meaningless" they understand each other and laugh...it's so cool! And women have differnet voice tones. very variate, for the situation they are in...but men have only a few. At least I think so...
But anyways, Girls rock!

Sure!

But there is a 'feminine language'. Language here does not mean a seperate set of rules with a different syntax, morphology, etc. It's just the way we use it, for instance, we tend to use much more interjections or expressions of surprise, fear, sadness, etc. I speak differently to my kind from when I speak to a man. And it comes quite naturally.

Si, un po 'armeno, spagnolo fluente, inglese fluente e po 'Italiano
Quante lingue si parlano?

Chi?

Thanks Lucin , oh but I couldn't help confusing myself a little bit
Well, I have always seen this word "կը" basically in Western Armenian, and I don't think I've seen it in Eastern...for example, in EA we say "Սիրում եմ քեզ:" and in WA we say "Կը սիրեմ քեզ:"...I really thought this was something that WAs used...could you please explain me its use? how it works? and what it means Lucin?

No, it's not uniquely a WA thing, though the tenses/ moods are translated differently in the dialects. In EA, կը սիրեմ/ կը գրեմ / կը բերեմ would fit in the future conditional mood. I just thought you wanted to use the conditional, but you could have said; շատ ջանք եմ ներդնում: That would be of course the present indicative mood.

And the second one, in this phrase : "ես ուզեմ եմ" I made it shorter intentionally from "ես ուզում եմ" to "ես ուզեմ"...because I thought this could be done with almost all verbs...is my thinking all right? Can we short the words and change the verb ending "-um" for the pronoun-verb ending, like "-em/-es/-e"?

Sorry, I didn't notice you had said "ուզեմ". That is wrong again. No shortening is allowed. You should say "ես ուզում եմ" or "ուզում եմ", omitting the subject.

[ashot24]

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Yea, but I do not feel a bit like I belong in there. But in all seriousness, some experts believe the feminine language does not exist indeed. I am not with them, though.

I think there is more of a "feminine dialect" ruled by laws of speech, grammar and vocabulary rather than a feminine language. It's like listening to another dialect! For example sometimes, in whatever language it is, when I listen to women speaking to each other, it's so cool to see how with one look, or with one words that men can think is "meaningless" they understand each other and laugh...it's so cool! And women have differnet voice tones. very variate, for the situation they are in...but men have only a few. At least I think so...
But anyways, Girls rock!
Oh and thanks Lucin for explaining me the "Jan" thing , I have to tell you that I was using it alot in my classes...instead of saying "Yay!" I said "Jan!"

E tu parle armeno, inglese, spagnolo e italiano, vero?

Si, un po 'armeno, spagnolo fluente, inglese fluente e po 'Italiano
Quante lingue si parlano?

Ես գիտեմ Լուսին ջան: Ես կը ներդնեմ շատ շատ ջանք, որովհետեւ ես ուզեմ եմ Հայերեն շատ լավ խոսել

Not big ones I just added them in your quote.

Thanks Lucin , oh but I couldn't help confusing myself a little bit
Well, I have always seen this word "կը" basically in Western Armenian, and I don't think I've seen it in Eastern...for example, in EA we say "Սիրում եմ քեզ:" and in WA we say "Կը սիրեմ քեզ:"...I really thought this was something that WAs used...could you please explain me its use? how it works? and what it means Lucin?

And the second one, in this phrase : "ես ուզեմ եմ" I made it shorter intentionally from "ես ուզում եմ" to "ես ուզեմ"...because I thought this could be done with almost all verbs...is my thinking all right? Can we short the words and change the verb ending "-um" for the pronoun-verb ending, like "-em/-es/-e"?

Thank you very very much Lucin jan

[Lucin]

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Ahhh.... feminine language, this concept is lost in the west

Yea, but I do not feel a bit like I belong in there. But in all seriousness, some experts believe the feminine language does not exist indeed. I am not with them, though.

[KanadaHye]

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Oh yea it's true. It's a way of expressing positive strong emotions especially in songs, like 'hey jan', 'jan jan' etc. In every day conversations however, it is really rare. For instance, I can say "jaan shat anush er." In this last example I'm expressing my emotions and in my opinion it's more like feminine language, used more widely by women.

Ahhh.... feminine language, this concept is lost in the west

[Lucin]

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Ես գիտեմ Լուսին ջան: Ես կը ներդնեմ շատ շատ ջանք, որովհետեւ ես ուզեմ եմ Հայերեն շատ լավ խոսել

hehe, did I said that right? any mistakes?

Not big ones I just added them in your quote.

Ohhh lei parla italiano???

E tu parle armeno, inglese, spagnolo e italiano, vero?

I know actually, I did my one of my last semester's class final essay about the work he did on investigating the etymology of the Armenian language. What I think I achieved the most, besides of course the knowledge I got on my investigation, is the fact that when I finished my teacher said "Wow, this is very interesting...I have never heard much of that language...I thought it was a dead tongue" and one of my classmates said "Wow so you're Armenian!? Oh that explains the name...I thought you were Arabic"

That's great, Ashot. This is the best way to make our culture known to the world.

EDIT: Oh yeah Lucin, after I asked you whether or not "Jan" is used to express emotion and stuff, I found the article where I found that well...hehe...I like Eurovision very much and I supported Inga & Anush all the way, so I got to read many many interviews...so they were asked what does their song's name "Jan Jan" meant...



So here's the article if you're interested, I was trying to find more about the word but this is the only place where I read it was used in that way

http://escmalta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=618&Itemid=54

Oh yea it's true. It's a way of expressing positive strong emotions especially in songs, like 'hey jan', 'jan jan' etc. In every day conversations however, it is really rare. For instance, I can say "jaan shat anush er." In this last example I'm expressing my emotions and in my opinion it's more like feminine language, used more widely by women.

[ashot24]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Խնդրեմ: Ուրախ եմ որ օգտւեցիր: Բայց դրանով չի վերջանում քանի որ հայերէնը շատ խորը, մանրակրկիտ եւ տրամաբանական լեզու է:

Ես գիտեմ Լուսին ջան: Ես ներդնեմ շատ շատ ջանք, որովհետեւ ես ուզեմ Հայերեն շատ լավ խոսել

hehe, did I said that right? any mistakes?

I can understand. This is pretty close to Italian!

P.S. Considering that you're studying linguistics, I'd strongly recommend you reading the works of our greatest linguist, Hrachia Ajaraian. He is brilliant.

Ohhh lei parla italiano???

I know actually, I did my one of my last semester's class final essay about the work he did on investigating the etymology of the Armenian language. What I think I achieved the most, besides of course the knowledge I got on my investigation, is the fact that when I finished my teacher said "Wow, this is very interesting...I have never heard much of that language...I thought it was a dead tongue" and one of my classmates said "Wow so you're Armenian!? Oh that explains the name...I thought you were Arabic"

EDIT: Oh yeah Lucin, after I asked you whether or not "Jan" is used to express emotion and stuff, I found the article where I found that well...hehe...I like Eurovision very much and I supported Inga & Anush all the way, so I got to read many many interviews...so they were asked what does their song's name "Jan Jan" meant...

What is the translation of 'Jan Jan' in English?

Anush: "Jan" means "dear" in Armenian. We also say "jan" to express happiness, it's something like "yeey!"

So here's the article if you're interested, I was trying to find more about the word but this is the only place where I read it was used in that way

http://escmalta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=618&Itemid=54

[Lucin]

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Լուսին ջա՜ն...շատ շատ շնորհակալություն քո օգնության համար

Խնդրեմ: Ուրախ եմ որ օգտւեցիր: Բայց դրանով չի վերջանում քանի որ հայերէնը շատ խորը, մանրակրկիտ եւ տրամաբանական լեզու է:

Thanks Lucin, I really appreciate it. And your right I love languages, that's why I am studying linguistics at college

Yea, I could tell that!

And as we should say in Spanish...muchas gracias amiga

I can understand. This is pretty close to Italian!

P.S. Considering that you're studying linguistics, I'd strongly recommend you reading the works of our greatest linguist, Hrachia Ajaraian. He is brilliant.