Learning Armenian from Armenian people

[Federate]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

When you want to use an adjective, you use 'հայկական'. When you want to use possessive, you use 'հայոց'. Հայկական եկեղեցիներ is Armenian churches and Հայոց եկեղեցիներ is church of the Armenian people. While they sound similar, they are not the same.

Check Google hits on what is more correct for the example we used: Հայկական/Հայոց պատմություն. «Հայոց պատմություն» VS «Հայկական պատմություն»

[Haykakan]

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Academically, it does not since it's not what type of history but the history of what/who.

Can you give example of when they are not interchangeable?

[Federate]

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Haykakan patmutyun doessnt really sound wrong either though does it?

Academically, it does not since it's not what type of history but the history of what/who.

[Haykakan]

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The best example is Movses Khorenatsi's "Hayots Patmutyun". The direct translation of this in English is Movses of Khoren's "History of Armenia". 'Hayots' is definitely possessive.

Haykakan patmutyun doessnt really sound wrong either though does it?

[Federate]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

The best example is Movses Khorenatsi's "Hayots Patmutyun". The direct translation of this in English is Movses of Khoren's "History of Armenia". 'Hayots' is definitely possessive.

[Haykakan]

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iHmm, its not maybe attributive, lemme explain :

Haykakan (the word, not the dude ) is used for like (the -akan) with for instance Arabakan yerazhshtoutyoun, Haykakan kerakour, etc.So similar to Greek -oid maybe?

Where Hayots is belonging as I saw in a Muradian ensemble song (yes I learn from music sometimes, I'm ridiculous I know lol) Hayots Aghjikner.

I think you use Hayots for possesive, or maybe for people, whereas the -akan for objects, thats another possibility (you find this in English and in Spanish sometimes)

Perhaps you have a point there but those two words can be iterchanged in atleast some situations.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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iHmm, its not maybe attributive, lemme explain :

Haykakan (the word, not the dude ) is used for like (the -akan) with for instance Arabakan yerazhshtoutyoun, Haykakan kerakour, etc.So similar to Greek -oid maybe?

Where Hayots is belonging as I saw in a Muradian ensemble song (yes I learn from music sometimes, I'm ridiculous I know lol) Hayots Aghjikner.

I think you use Hayots for possesive, or maybe for people, whereas the -akan for objects, thats another possibility (you find this in English and in Spanish sometimes)

[Siggie]

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'Hayots' can perfectly be an adjective as well. 'Hayots Patmutyun' means Armenian History. Or 'Hayots Aybuben'; the Armenian Alphabet.

I think you're translating to English and then it ends up as "Armenian" it both cases, making it sound like both are used as an adjective. I maintain still though that Hayots not an adjective, but rather, is possessive and more the equivalent of "of Armenians". Haykakan aybuben vs. Hayeri aybuben@. Hayots is like saying Hayeri.

[Lucin]

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I have heard of haykakan patmutyun before and i think those two words are interchangeable.

They may be interchangable sometimes but it doesn't change the fact that they are different. No other two words are 'the same'. 'Hayots Patmutyun' is more common.

"while 'haykakan' being used more frequently" Yeh i like it when i am used more frequently lol.

lol, 'used' in what sense?

To me, the usage of hayots makes it sounds possessive like "of Armenians" or "Armenians' " and Haykakan is used more like an adjective.

'Hayots' can perfectly be an adjective as well. 'Hayots Patmutyun' means Armenian History. Or 'Hayots Aybuben'; the Armenian Alphabet.

[Siggie]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

To me, the usage of hayots makes it sounds possessive like "of Armenians" or "Armenians' " and Haykakan is used more like an adjective.