Learning Armenian from Armenian people

[Haykakan]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

No it should be pronounced as hatak. Hartak is a different word. Sometimes, letters such as 'բ', 'դ', 'ղ' or 'գ' change into 'փ', 'թ', 'խ' or 'ք' while pronouncing. Such as: Կարդալ [կարթալ], բարդ [բարթ], հարբել [հարփել], համբոյր [համփոյր], կեղտոտ [կեխտոտ], օգնել [օքնել], etc.




Good question but I'm afraid I may not be able to give you an accurate answer. Personally I've always tried to distinguish them by ear. You'll get used to it as well. I've never heard 'haykakan patmutyun' for instance. But in my opinion, 'hayots' accompanies nouns with abstract and more global signification such as 'hayots ashkharh', 'hayots patmutyum', while 'haykakan' being used more frequently is seen usually with concrete nouns, like 'haykakan kat', 'haykakan jur', haykakan hogh'.

I have heard of haykakan patmutyun before and i think those two words are interchangeable."while 'haykakan' being used more frequently" Yeh i like it when i am used more frequently lol.

[Lucin]

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Ok thanks Lucin jan had little doubts with that one

OK I have some questions now, well first I've noticed there are words that are written one way and spoken differently...
For example, I think once I saw like these word "Հատակ" and I pronounced it Hatak, as I think it should be...but I heard Har-tak, don't know if that is even an example..but the question is, as many many languages have differences between how do they write it and how do they say it (i.e. in Armenian pronouncing the ë if there is a word that starts with two consonants), are there other rules like this?

No it should be pronounced as hatak. Hartak is a different word. Sometimes, letters such as 'բ', 'դ', 'ղ' or 'գ' change into 'փ', 'թ', 'խ' or 'ք' while pronouncing. Such as: Կարդալ [կարթալ], բարդ [բարթ], հարբել [հարփել], համբոյր [համփոյր], կեղտոտ [կեխտոտ], օգնել [օքնել], etc.

Also another question Lucin, I know what "HAYKAKAN" and "HAYOTS'" mean, but...is there a rule where to use Hayots' instead of Haykakan? For example if I say "Haykakan Patmutyun" I've also seen it as "Hayots' Patmutyun"...can you use both and there is no problem or there is a rule?

Good question but I'm afraid I may not be able to give you an accurate answer. Personally I've always tried to distinguish them by ear. You'll get used to it as well. I've never heard 'haykakan patmutyun' for instance. But in my opinion, 'hayots' accompanies nouns with abstract and more global signification such as 'hayots ashkharh', 'hayots patmutyum', while 'haykakan' being used more frequently is seen usually with concrete nouns, like 'haykakan kat', 'haykakan jur', haykakan hogh'.

[ashot24]

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It referes to the Armenian tricolour, the flag. եռագոյն or եռագույն both are pronounced in the same way. The first one is according to the original Mesropian orthography and the second one in use in Armenia now is the sovietized version, after our language went through some changes. You can also say Հայկական եռագոյն.

Ok thanks Lucin jan had little doubts with that one

OK I have some questions now, well first I've noticed there are words that are written one way and spoken differently...
For example, I think once I saw like these word "Հատակ" and I pronounced it Hatak, as I think it should be...but I heard Har-tak, don't know if that is even an example..but the question is, as many many languages have differences between how do they write it and how do they say it (i.e. in Armenian pronouncing the ë if there is a word that starts with two consonants), are there other rules like this?

Also another question Lucin, I know what "HAYKAKAN" and "HAYOTS'" mean, but...is there a rule where to use Hayots' instead of Haykakan? For example if I say "Haykakan Patmutyun" I've also seen it as "Hayots' Patmutyun"...can you use both and there is no problem or there is a rule?

Thanks Lucin jan

[Lucin]

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Thanks Lucin you've really helped me a lot Everytime I read you responses I feel like I am a little step more advancing to my final goal , 'cause I can fully understand what you say and it really helps me and it has helped until now

OK, Lucin can I ask you a question? What does երագոյն mean? I don't know if it is written the right way, 'cause I've heard that is more like of an ու in there instead of the single ո and I've looked everywhere but I don't seem to understand what it means.

Thanks Lucin jan

It referes to the Armenian tricolour, the flag. եռագոյն or եռագույն both are pronounced in the same way. The first one is according to the original Mesropian orthography and the second one in use in Armenia now is the sovietized version, after our language went through some changes. You can also say Հայկական եռագոյն.

Turks and Persians are not friendly towards eachothers due to historical and religious issues. Once I've heard from a historian that Turks and Azeris also can not live together because of the same reasons. In fact, after Seljuks; they never did, not even in Ottoman era.

Whatever; there are some Persian words in Turkish which is used as insults, I think due to that rivalry. For example Turks call Persians as "Acem"; and "Acemi" means "From Persia" which also means "Novice, noob"

It's the Arabic 'Ajam'. Arabs do the same.

[Haykakan]

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Thanks Lucin you've really helped me a lot Everytime I read you responses I feel like I am a little step more advancing to my final goal , 'cause I can fully understand what you say and it really helps me and it has helped until now

OK, Lucin can I ask you a question? What does երագոյն mean? I don't know if it is written the right way, 'cause I've heard that is more like of an ու in there instead of the single ո and I've looked everywhere but I don't seem to understand what it means.

Thanks Lucin jan

It is a combination of two words yerek(three) and guin(collor) it refers to the tricollor flag of Armenia.

[ashot24]

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When you say "Երեւանի մէջ" you want to insist that it's inside/ within Yerevan and not in surrounding areas. For "Երեւանում", in Yerevan sounds more correct. And there is no such thing as "at Yerevan".



There is no distinction between in and at in Armenian. Depending on the word, you can use –ում (սենեակում) or –ը (տանը). On the table would be "սեղանի վրայ".



We usually say, Նունէ Եսայեանի՝ կատարմամբ or կատարում է Նունէ Եսայեանը if she is the performer. If it's a composer/ creator you'd rather say Ստեղծագործութիւն՝ Պարոյր Սեւակի.

Thanks Lucin you've really helped me a lot Everytime I read you responses I feel like I am a little step more advancing to my final goal , 'cause I can fully understand what you say and it really helps me and it has helped until now

OK, Lucin can I ask you a question? What does երագոյն mean? I don't know if it is written the right way, 'cause I've heard that is more like of an ու in there instead of the single ո and I've looked everywhere but I don't seem to understand what it means.

Thanks Lucin jan

[Army]

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http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/search.asp?w=pu%FEt

Ah An Armenian academician has a website/dictionary on Turkish.. interesting.

Typical Turkish distortion as usual... in this case in the language... first of all, it should be 'posht' in Farsi and not 'pusht'.

Turks and Persians are not friendly towards eachothers due to historical and religious issues. Once I've heard from a historian that Turks and Azeris also can not live together because of the same reasons. In fact, after Seljuks; they never did, not even in Ottoman era.

Whatever; there are some Persian words in Turkish which is used as insults, I think due to that rivalry. For example Turks call Persians as "Acem"; and "Acemi" means "From Persia" which also means "Novice, noob"

As for 'pusht', they use 'ibne' for insulting, same meaning. I think most of the Turks do not know the meaning of pusht, it is an old word; I only heard it on old Turkish movies and probably, maybe, villagers still use it.

[Lucin]

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Poosht (puşt) is not Turkish word. According to Nişanyan's dictionary : it is Farsi and comes from the word "back" . In slang, it is used as passive homosexual. Ironic connection with your obsessives he?

Typical Turkish distortion as usual... in this case in the language... first of all, it should be 'posht' in Farsi and not 'pusht'. Secondly it simply means 'back' or 'behind' in Farsi and it is not a slang meaning "passive homosexual". But since whenever you Turks hear words like 'back' or 'behind' it takes you quickly in the world homosexuals and their common sexual practice, that's all you can conclude, so no surprise. And yea I'm in awe, obsessed and fascinated by your handsome men that I'm so torn none is attracted to me... *cries*

Also the word pezevenk comes from Armenian word : b.o.z.avag (pozavak) - no need to explain the meaning.

I heard it from a Turkish speaking Armenian, Turkish being her mother tongue. In any case, it's only used in WA.

[Haykakan]

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Poosht (puşt) is not Turkish word. According to Nişanyan's dictionary : it is Farsi and comes from the word "back" . In slang, it is used as passive homosexual. Ironic connection with your obsessives he?

http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/search.asp?w=pu%FEt

Also the word pezevenk comes from Armenian word : b.o.z.avag (pozavak) - no need to explain the meaning.

xxxavag seems like a way better cuss word to me then pezevenk hehe.

[garod]

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No, it's not Farsi. It must be something Arevmtahays use, so Turkish or Arabic.

Poosht (puşt) is not Turkish word. According to Nişanyan's dictionary : it is Farsi and comes from the word "back" . In slang, it is used as passive homosexual. Ironic connection with your obsessives he?

http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/search.asp?w=pu%FEt

Also the word pezevenk comes from Armenian word : b.o.z.avag (pozavak) - no need to explain the meaning.