Learning Armenian from Armenian people

[ashot24]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Usually nouns (rarely adjectives) with 'ու' and 'ի' in the middle go through this change when transformed into another part of speech of the same family. The cases are not numerous but not few either. I"ll give you some commmon ones: նուռ/ նռան, մուկ/ մկան/ մկներ, ձուկ/ ձկան/ ձկներ, հին/ հնութիւն, գիրք/ գրքեր, մութ/ մթնել, ցուրտ/ ցրտել, գիրկ/ գրկել, սուր/ սրել, ծուռ/ ծռնել, շուն/ շան/ շներ, ջուր / ջրի, տուն/ տան, դուռ/ դռան. This is all I can remember now, if you don't understand let me know, I'll give examples by them. Note that some of these tranformed forms are possesives, some verbs and some others nouns.

Ok got it, thanks Lucin jan

Do not use 'Paka', neither 'Privet' please. For 'barev', you can also say 'ողջոյն' or 'բարի երեկոյ' (in the evenings). For 'goodbye', Yerazhishda gave you a list correctly. 'յաջողութիւն' (hajoghutyun) or 'յաջող' are common.

OK! Oh and I remembered what I wanted to ask...somedays ago I watched a video with instructions to do something which had a rough translation to Russian, and in the part, which would be translated as "Ok, let's continue"...I heard "Gnank, sharunakum enq"...if the word is written correctly "Gnank", I know what it means , is used for OK? or is it just a bad translation?

And what would we a word to say OK?

Also, I noticed the pronunciation of "sharunakum enq" quite distinctive, it's like "sharnakum enq" with the R pronounced like an english pronouncing an R. I though it was interesting, does this happen with many words?

[Lucin]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Now my next question has to do with this, I completely understand the sentences...but the transformation from տուն to տան, դուռ to դռա is something I've seen in a lot of words...for example Ashun, what is the name for this action? Is it something regular, like a rule, to change, erase the vowels? For example when we say "muk" and then to pluralize we change to "Mkner"...why?

Usually nouns (rarely adjectives) with 'ու' and 'ի' in the middle go through this change when transformed into another part of speech of the same family. The cases are not numerous but not few either. I"ll give you some commmon ones: նուռ/ նռան, մուկ/ մկան/ մկներ, ձուկ/ ձկան/ ձկներ, հին/ հնութիւն, գիրք/ գրքեր, մութ/ մթնել, ցուրտ/ ցրտել, գիրկ/ գրկել, սուր/ սրել, ծուռ/ ծռնել, շուն/ շան/ շներ, ջուր / ջրի, տուն/ տան, դուռ/ դռան. This is all I can remember now, if you don't understand let me know, I'll give examples by them. Note that some of these tranformed forms are possesives, some verbs and some others nouns.

Oh also, I wanted to ask some expressions
If we want to say Hi, we say "Barev"...is there another way? Because I've heard in videos that many Hayastants'iner say "Priviet" as in Russian...
Also, is there other way to say "Bye"? As well, I've heard Hayanstants'iner saying "Paka"...

Do not use 'Paka', neither 'Privet' please. For 'barev', you can also say 'ողջոյն' or 'բարի երեկոյ' (in the evenings). For 'goodbye', Yerazhishda gave you a list correctly. 'յաջողութիւն' (hajoghutyun) or 'յաջող' are common.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Now my next question has to do with this, I completely understand the sentences...but the transformation from տուն to տան, դուռ to դռա is something I've seen in a lot of words...for example Ashun, what is the name for this action? Is it something regular, like a rule, to change, erase the vowels? For example when we say "muk" and then to pluralize we change to "Mkner"...why?

We also do it with շուն - շան. I think these are just isolated cases like when we say հայոց and մարդոց. I have a list of these type of words (usually all single-syllable) if you're interested from the book "Beginner's Armenian".

Oh also, I wanted to ask some expressions
If we want to say Hi, we say "Barev"...is there another way? Because I've heard in videos that many Hayastants'iner say "Priviet" as in Russian...
Also, is there other way to say "Bye"? As well, I've heard Hayanstants'iner saying "Paka"...

I don't know about saying hello but there are numerous phrases for saying goodbye:

մնաք բարով - երթաք բարով
ցտեսութիւն
յաջողութիւն
բարի ճանապարհ (if going on a trip)

etc. I'm sure others can think of more.

[ashot24]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Let me go through this one by examples illlustrating different possibilities.


Իմ գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
Քո գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
Նրա գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Նրանց գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:

( Իմ) Գիրքս՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
(Քո) Գիրքդ՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
(Նրա) Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Նրանց Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:

Սա՝ իմ գիրքն է: Սա՝ մեր գիրքն է:
Սա՝ քո գիրքն է: Սա՝ ձեր գիրքն է:
Սա՝ նրա գիրքն է: Սա՝ նրանց գիրքն է:

That was completely clear Lucin jan, I couldn't ask for nothing more! Shat shat mersi e'nkeruhi jan!

- Now some commonly used 'exceptions':

Իմ տունը՝ սա է: (Or Սա՝ իմ տունն է: ) Իմ տան մէջ շուն կայ:

Սա մեր դուռն է: Մեր դռան առջեւ ծաղիկներ կան:

Note the transformation in above examples.

Is it clear?

Now my next question has to do with this, I completely understand the sentences...but the transformation from տուն to տան, դուռ to դռա is something I've seen in a lot of words...for example Ashun, what is the name for this action? Is it something regular, like a rule, to change, erase the vowels? For example when we say "muk" and then to pluralize we change to "Mkner"...why?

Oh also, I wanted to ask some expressions
If we want to say Hi, we say "Barev"...is there another way? Because I've heard in videos that many Hayastants'iner say "Priviet" as in Russian...
Also, is there other way to say "Bye"? As well, I've heard Hayanstants'iner saying "Paka"...

I now I am missing something but I can't remember it lol, well thanks Lucin really you've helped me a lot!!!

[Lucin]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Hello Lucin,

There is somethings I wanted to ask
Ok, if we can use "-դ" at the end of things to express possesion of "You" (singular)....are there more endings to express possesion of the other pronouns?

Let me go through this one by examples illlustrating different possibilities.


Իմ գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
Քո գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
Նրա գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Նրանց գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:

( Իմ) Գիրքս՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
(Քո) Գիրքդ՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
(Նրա) Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Նրանց Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:

Սա՝ իմ գիրքն է: Սա՝ մեր գիրքն է:
Սա՝ քո գիրքն է: Սա՝ ձեր գիրքն է:
Սա՝ նրա գիրքն է: Սա՝ նրանց գիրքն է:

- Now some commonly used 'exceptions':

Իմ տունը՝ սա է: (Or Սա՝ իմ տունն է: ) Իմ տան մէջ շուն կայ:

Սա մեր դուռն է: Մեր դռան առջեւ ծաղիկներ կան:

Note the transformation in above examples.

Is it clear?

[Siggie]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

The suffixes are as follows:

my - ս
your - դ
his/hers/their - ը or ն if the noun ends in a vowel

[ashot24]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Hello Lucin,

There is somethings I wanted to ask
Ok, if we can use "-դ" at the end of things to express possesion of "You" (singular)....are there more endings to express possesion of the other pronouns?

[Lucin]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

I think you're translating to English and then it ends up as "Armenian" it both cases, making it sound like both are used as an adjective. I maintain still though that Hayots not an adjective, but rather, is possessive and more the equivalent of "of Armenians". Haykakan aybuben vs. Hayeri aybuben@. Hayots is like saying Hayeri.

I see your point and it makes sense. I think the example of 'Hayots Patriarch' illustrates it better as a possessive. But if you notice 'possessive' is not a grammatical form so in the end it is an adjective again in its grammatical form.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

When you want to use an adjective, you use 'հայկական'. When you want to use possessive, you use 'հայոց'. Հայկական եկեղեցիներ is Armenian churches and Հայոց եկեղեցիներ is church of the Armenian people. While they sound similar, they are not the same.

Check Google hits on what is more correct for the example we used: Հայկական/Հայոց պատմություն. «Հայոց պատմություն» VS «Հայկական պատմություն»

Fed ftw

[Haykakan]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

When you want to use an adjective, you use 'հայկական'. When you want to use possessive, you use 'հայոց'. Հայկական եկեղեցիներ is Armenian churches and Հայոց եկեղեցիներ is church of the Armenian people. While they sound similar, they are not the same.

Check Google hits on what is more correct for the example we used: Հայկական/Հայոց պատմություն. «Հայոց պատմություն» VS «Հայկական պատմություն»

Ok thans man, i think i got it now.