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  • #61
    Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    Academically, it does not since it's not what type of history but the history of what/who.
    Can you give example of when they are not interchangeable?
    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • #62
      Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

      When you want to use an adjective, you use 'հայկական'. When you want to use possessive, you use 'հայոց'. Հայկական եկեղեցիներ is Armenian churches and Հայոց եկեղեցիներ is church of the Armenian people. While they sound similar, they are not the same.

      Check Google hits on what is more correct for the example we used: Հայկական/Հայոց պատմություն. «Հայոց պատմություն» VS «Հայկական պատմություն»
      Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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      • #63
        Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        When you want to use an adjective, you use 'հայկական'. When you want to use possessive, you use 'հայոց'. Հայկական եկեղեցիներ is Armenian churches and Հայոց եկեղեցիներ is church of the Armenian people. While they sound similar, they are not the same.

        Check Google hits on what is more correct for the example we used: Հայկական/Հայոց պատմություն. «Հայոց պատմություն» VS «Հայկական պատմություն»

        Ok thans man, i think i got it now.
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • #64
          Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

          Originally posted by Federate View Post
          When you want to use an adjective, you use 'հայկական'. When you want to use possessive, you use 'հայոց'. Հայկական եկեղեցիներ is Armenian churches and Հայոց եկեղեցիներ is church of the Armenian people. While they sound similar, they are not the same.

          Check Google hits on what is more correct for the example we used: Հայկական/Հայոց պատմություն. «Հայոց պատմություն» VS «Հայկական պատմություն»
          Fed ftw

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          • #65
            Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

            Originally posted by Siggie View Post
            I think you're translating to English and then it ends up as "Armenian" it both cases, making it sound like both are used as an adjective. I maintain still though that Hayots not an adjective, but rather, is possessive and more the equivalent of "of Armenians". Haykakan aybuben vs. Hayeri aybuben@. Hayots is like saying Hayeri.
            I see your point and it makes sense. I think the example of 'Hayots Patriarch' illustrates it better as a possessive. But if you notice 'possessive' is not a grammatical form so in the end it is an adjective again in its grammatical form.

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            • #66
              Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

              Hello Lucin,

              There is somethings I wanted to ask
              Ok, if we can use "-դ" at the end of things to express possesion of "You" (singular)....are there more endings to express possesion of the other pronouns?

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              • #67
                Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

                The suffixes are as follows:

                my - ս
                your - դ
                his/hers/their - ը or ն if the noun ends in a vowel
                [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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                • #68
                  Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

                  Originally posted by ashot24 View Post
                  Hello Lucin,

                  There is somethings I wanted to ask
                  Ok, if we can use "-դ" at the end of things to express possesion of "You" (singular)....are there more endings to express possesion of the other pronouns?
                  Let me go through this one by examples illlustrating different possibilities.


                  Իմ գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
                  Քո գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
                  Նրա գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Նրանց գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:

                  ( Իմ) Գիրքս՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
                  (Քո) Գիրքդ՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
                  (Նրա) Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Նրանց Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:

                  Սա՝ իմ գիրքն է: Սա՝ մեր գիրքն է:
                  Սա՝ քո գիրքն է: Սա՝ ձեր գիրքն է:
                  Սա՝ նրա գիրքն է: Սա՝ նրանց գիրքն է:

                  - Now some commonly used 'exceptions':

                  Իմ տունը՝ սա է: (Or Սա՝ իմ տունն է: ) Իմ տան մէջ շուն կայ:

                  Սա մեր դուռն է: Մեր դռան առջեւ ծաղիկներ կան:

                  Note the transformation in above examples.

                  Is it clear?
                  Last edited by Lucin; 10-12-2009, 06:47 AM.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

                    Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                    Let me go through this one by examples illlustrating different possibilities.


                    Իմ գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
                    Քո գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:
                    Նրա գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է: Նրանց գիրքը՝ կապոյտ է:

                    ( Իմ) Գիրքս՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Մեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
                    (Քո) Գիրքդ՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Ձեր գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:
                    (Նրա) Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է: Նրանց Գիրքը՝ սեղանի վրայ է:

                    Սա՝ իմ գիրքն է: Սա՝ մեր գիրքն է:
                    Սա՝ քո գիրքն է: Սա՝ ձեր գիրքն է:
                    Սա՝ նրա գիրքն է: Սա՝ նրանց գիրքն է:
                    That was completely clear Lucin jan, I couldn't ask for nothing more! Shat shat mersi e'nkeruhi jan!

                    Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                    - Now some commonly used 'exceptions':

                    Իմ տունը՝ սա է: (Or Սա՝ իմ տունն է: ) Իմ տան մէջ շուն կայ:

                    Սա մեր դուռն է: Մեր դռան առջեւ ծաղիկներ կան:

                    Note the transformation in above examples.

                    Is it clear?
                    Now my next question has to do with this, I completely understand the sentences...but the transformation from տուն to տան, դուռ to դռա is something I've seen in a lot of words...for example Ashun, what is the name for this action? Is it something regular, like a rule, to change, erase the vowels? For example when we say "muk" and then to pluralize we change to "Mkner"...why?

                    Oh also, I wanted to ask some expressions
                    If we want to say Hi, we say "Barev"...is there another way? Because I've heard in videos that many Hayastants'iner say "Priviet" as in Russian...
                    Also, is there other way to say "Bye"? As well, I've heard Hayanstants'iner saying "Paka"...

                    I now I am missing something but I can't remember it lol, well thanks Lucin really you've helped me a lot!!!
                    Last edited by ashot24; 10-12-2009, 09:20 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

                      Originally posted by ashot24 View Post
                      Now my next question has to do with this, I completely understand the sentences...but the transformation from տուն to տան, դուռ to դռա is something I've seen in a lot of words...for example Ashun, what is the name for this action? Is it something regular, like a rule, to change, erase the vowels? For example when we say "muk" and then to pluralize we change to "Mkner"...why?
                      We also do it with շուն - շան. I think these are just isolated cases like when we say հայոց and մարդոց. I have a list of these type of words (usually all single-syllable) if you're interested from the book "Beginner's Armenian".

                      Oh also, I wanted to ask some expressions
                      If we want to say Hi, we say "Barev"...is there another way? Because I've heard in videos that many Hayastants'iner say "Priviet" as in Russian...
                      Also, is there other way to say "Bye"? As well, I've heard Hayanstants'iner saying "Paka"...
                      I don't know about saying hello but there are numerous phrases for saying goodbye:

                      մնաք բարով - երթաք բարով
                      ցտեսութիւն
                      յաջողութիւն
                      բարի ճանապարհ (if going on a trip)

                      etc. I'm sure others can think of more.

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