Learning Armenian from Armenian people

[Lucin]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Tu

Io parlo armeno, persiano, francese, inglese correntemente, e un po italiano e arabo.

Ok thanks Lucin, that helps a lot...sorry for the unknowledge

Vochinch Ashot jan. No need to be sorry, we as 'native-speakers' make tons of mistakes of different nature in our conversations on a daily basis.

Շարունակիր աշխատանքդ եւ հարցումներդ հարցրու, քանի որ շատ տեղին են:

[ashot24]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Io parlo armeno, persiano, francese, inglese correntemente, e un po italiano e arabo.

Sorprendente

Vochinch Ashot jan. No need to be sorry, we as 'native-speakers' make tons of mistakes of different nature in our conversations on a daily basis.

Շարունակիր աշխատանքդ եւ հարցումներդ հարցրու, քանի որ շատ տեղին են:

OK Lucin jan, thank you

Well, as for your message, I think I understand what you say but I really am confused on how it is written...well, first let me try to tell you if I am right in my translation:

"Continue the job and the inquiring-asking" and the other part I know I am wrong but I understand it like "as very much by the way"...I am wrong don't I?

Could you please explain me the grammar here? I really am confused with this and also could you please translate it the right way? Oh yes, and this little questions:

Does adding -դ at the end of an action has any particular meaning?
"Քանի որ"...what does this means, because as I knew it means "as"?

And finally this word "տեղին", according to the dictionary means "by the way" or "duly", but I guess in the sentences means something else, right?


Oh and I had some little questions about songs if you wouldn't mind answering them what does "Քանի վուր" means? Like the Sayat Nova song "Qani vur jan im"...
oh and what does "Կեցցե" means? Like in "Gini Lits'" when its sung "Kets'e: Hayots' hamarvorė" and finally what does "Gini Lits'" mean ...I know "Gini" means "whine", but "Lits'"??

Now I've asked a lot of questions...
Thanks Lucin, oh and by the way SHNORHAVOR AKAKHUTYUN ORĖ

[Lucin]

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Sorprendente

Perché?

Well, as for your message, I think I understand what you say but I really am confused on how it is written...well, first let me try to tell you if I am right in my translation:

"Continue the job and the inquiring-asking" and the other part I know I am wrong but I understand it like "as very much by the way"...I am wrong don't I?

Could you please explain me the grammar here? I really am confused with this and also could you please translate it the right way? Oh yes, and this little questions:

You are more or less right. In the first part, if we translate word for word it'd be; continue your work and ask your questions since they are duely or justified.

Does adding -դ at the end of an action has any particular meaning?

It shows the 'belonging', your...

"Քանի որ"...what does this means, because as I knew it means "as"?

Yes, 'as' or 'since'.

And finally this word "տեղին", according to the dictionary means "by the way" or "duly", but I guess in the sentences means something else, right?

Duely would be closer. "By the way" would be "իմիջայլոց".

Oh and I had some little questions about songs if you wouldn't mind answering them what does "Քանի վուր" means? Like the Sayat Nova song "Qani vur jan im"...

Yea I know that song. Can you remember the before and after? That'd make it easier. Sayat Nova is influenced heavily by Persian so it makes it a bit hard to understand him.

oh and what does "Կեցցե" means?

It's an expression of 'compliment'. So it could be like 'bravo'.

Like in "Gini Lits'" when its sung "Kets'e: Hayots' hamarvorė" and finally what does "Gini Lits'" mean ...I know "Gini" means "whine", but "Lits'"??

'լից' as an adjective comes from the verb լեցնել /լցնել meaning 'to pour', so
'լից' would be 'full of'.

Thanks Lucin, oh and by the way SHNORHAVOR AKAKHUTYUN ORĖ

Շնորհաւոր անկախութեան օրը:

[ashot24]

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Perché?

Perché č bello sapere molte lingue

Yea I know that song. Can you remember the before and after? That'd make it easier. Sayat Nova is influenced heavily by Persian so it makes it a bit hard to understand him.

Ok, here is the lyrics

Քանի վուր ջան իմ, եա՛ր, քի ղուրբան իմ, աբա ի՞նչ անիմ,
Արտասուք հանիմ, շատ հոգուց հանիմ,- եա՛ր, ղադէդ տանիմ:

Հագիլ իս ատլաս, թուրլու զար ու խաս՝ սելբու դալ բովուն,
Ձեռիդ ունիս թաս, լըցնիս ինձի տաս՝ ղուրսան իմ քովուն:

Թաք դուն բաղչէն գաս՝ անիս մասնէ մաս քու Սայեաթ Նովուն,
Մո՛ւտ բաղչէն նազով, քիզ գովիմ սազով, եա՛ր, իլթիմազով:

It's really a beatiful song
Oh and I wanted to ask you something...have you got the lyrics for some Dashnaktsakan yerger? And if you have them, do you have around them the lyrics for "Drosh Yeraguyn"?

Thanks for all Lucin

Շնորհաւոր անկախութեան օրը:

Oh did I say it wrong?

[Lucin]

Re: Learning Armenian from Armenian people

Perché č bello sapere molte lingue

Tante grazie.

Ok, here is the lyrics

Քանի վուր ջան իմ, եա՛ր, քի ղուրբան իմ, աբա ի՞նչ անիմ,
Արտասուք հանիմ, շատ հոգուց հանիմ,- եա՛ր, ղադէդ տանիմ:

Հագիլ իս ատլաս, թուրլու զար ու խաս՝ սելբու դալ բովուն,
Ձեռիդ ունիս թաս, լըցնիս ինձի տաս՝ ղուրսան իմ քովուն:

Թաք դուն բաղչէն գաս՝ անիս մասնէ մաս քու Սայեաթ Նովուն,
Մո՛ւտ բաղչէն նազով, քիզ գովիմ սազով, եա՛ր, իլթիմազով:

It's really a beatiful song

Yea it's beautiful. I like most of Sayat Nova's works and his unique style. OK, "Քանի վուր ջան իմ", could mean here "as long as I'm alive". So add 'as long as' to the other meanings of "Քանի որ". "ջան իմ", is "ջան ունեմ", "սաղ եմ" in standard Armenian. So "ջան" would be like a metaphor here.

As expected, I can see quite some Persian words in this excerpt.

Oh and I wanted to ask you something...have you got the lyrics for some Dashnaktsakan yerger? And if you have them, do you have around them the lyrics for "Drosh Yeraguyn"?

I have a number of dashnaktsakan song's lyrics. I don't know exactly which is 'Drosh Yeraguyn'. Is it the "Aryunot Drosh"?

Oh did I say it wrong?

Չէ, ճիշտ ասեցիր:

[ashot24]

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Yea it's beautiful. I like most of Sayat Nova's works and his unique style. OK, "Քանի վուր ջան իմ", could mean here "as long as I'm alive". So add 'as long as' to the other meanings of "Քանի որ". "ջան իմ", is "ջան ունեմ", "սաղ եմ" in standard Armenian. So "ջան" would be like a metaphor here.

As expected, I can see quite some Persian words in this excerpt.

Thanks a lot !!! Wow so that is why I couldn't find some words on dictionaries

I have a number of dashnaktsakan song's lyrics. I don't know exactly which is 'Drosh Yeraguyn'. Is it the "Aryunot Drosh"?

I've heard that one I have the lyrics for that song But I mean this song:

http://www.jdemirdjian.com/DailySongs2007/Songs/Armenian/arf/Nersik%20Ispirian-%20Trosh%20Yerakouyn.mp3

I haven't been able to find it


Hey Lucin jan! Thank you for everything!!! Is there something I can do for you?? Or a question(s) that I may be able to answer and help you as you did?

[Haykakan]

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Yea it's beautiful. I like most of Sayat Nova's works and his unique style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33F5k-awxvA

[Lucin]

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Thanks a lot !!! Wow so that is why I couldn't find some words on dictionaries

Yes, for understanding Sayat Nova, other than mastering the Armenian language, one has to know quite some Persian words as well.

I've heard that one I have the lyrics for that song But I mean this song:

http://www.jdemirdjian.com/DailySongs2007/Songs/Armenian/arf/Nersik%20Ispirian-%20Trosh%20Yerakouyn.mp3

I haven't been able to find it

Sorry, I don't have that one. But I have the 'Gini Lits'.

Hey Lucin jan! Thank you for everything!!! Is there something I can do for you?? Or a question(s) that I may be able to answer and help you as you did?

No problem. I'm glad this helps you really. Maybe when I start my Spanish, I'll come to you with tons of questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33F5k-awxvA

Wonderful! I think Nune Yesaian sings him best probably.

[ashot24]

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Yes, for understanding Sayat Nova, other than mastering the Armenian language, one has to know quite some Persian words as well.

Oh, so I guess I'll have to learn persian as well

Sorry, I don't have that one. But I have the 'Gini Lits'.

Thanks Lucin, I already have Gini Lits'...hope someday I can take the lyrics out myself

No problem. I'm glad this helps you really. Maybe when I start my Spanish, I'll come to you with tons of questions.

And I'll be more than happy to teach you

Wonderful! I think Nune Yesaian sings him best probably.

I agree, Nune honors those songs! Specially I love how she sings "Ashkharums imn dun is" and "Kamancha", besides "Kani vur jan im"

Hum, a little question? In the song "Kani vur jan im" (sorry I love that song ), at one of the final lines:

Թաք դուն բաղչէն գաս՝ անիս մասնէ մաս քու Սայեաթ Նովուն

Why does he says his name? Is he actually saying his name? Or is a reference to something else? I have always wondered that

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Oh and something I am kinda ashamed of asking Lucin , I think personally that one of the things you've got to know of a language is the "swear words", "bad words" and so on...because, as I always say...if I am between friends in England and something falls on my feet, I am not gonna say "Oh that hurts!"

So...haha , could you please teach me the basic swear words on Armenian?

Hehe sorry for asking, I am red haha
Thanks for everything Lucin!

[Lucin]

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Oh, so I guess I'll have to learn persian as well

It's worth it 'cause it's beautiful.

I agree, Nune honors those songs! Specially I love how she sings "Ashkharums imn dun is" and "Kamancha", besides "Kani vur jan im"

Yea, she is amazing.

Hum, a little question? In the song "Kani vur jan im" (sorry I love that song ), at one of the final lines:

Թաք դուն բաղչէն գաս՝ անիս մասնէ մաս քու Սայեաթ Նովուն

Why does he says his name? Is he actually saying his name? Or is a reference to something else? I have always wondered that

This is a common techinque in Persian literature and poetry in particular; poets/ writers referring to themselves, adressing themselves and invoking kind of in the third person. Considering Sayat Nova has been heavily influenced by Persian culture and literature, this becomes understandable.

Oh and something I am kinda ashamed of asking Lucin , I think personally that one of the things you've got to know of a language is the "swear words", "bad words" and so on...because, as I always say...if I am between friends in England and something falls on my feet, I am not gonna say "Oh that hurts!"

So...haha , could you please teach me the basic swear words on Armenian?

Hehe sorry for asking, I am red haha
Thanks for everything Lucin!

Oh lą lą, I can't do that. Actually the insults thrown and used by women are usually different from that used by men. Even though I know them I do not use any

Maybe we can ask Mukuch in here to do the favour. Or just browse through his posts.