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Do we have an expriration date???

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    Do we have an expriration date???

    Hello everyone, I just wanted a share a fear with everyone, a fear that everyone feels already... how lon will we last? For years the number of "spurk" is increasing with more an more Armenians leaving their country and deciding to live somewhere else. As generations become older outside of Armenia are finding more and more ok "tservil" in their "new" countries. I remember my Armenian history teacher making a sad yet true joke, saying I will speak English for you to understand in your "mayreni lezou" that joke keeps stabbing my heart every time I remember it. The generations that follow us become less and less Armenian by every generation, Armenia's population keeps decreasing, at this rate we will all become extinct. The blood and sacrifice of all that were before us, and I don't just mean 1.5 million, I mean generations going up to 4000BC to Ourardou times. Is there any point continuing, has our struggle finally coming to an end, I know we've asked ourselves this question a million times, but... can we really keep up. Do we still share the same values that kept us going, is that flame inside us still valid, or is it closing in on an expiration date. Guys, less and less fewer and fewer people are religious these days, more and more we are surrounded by objects such as internet, television, music and much more obstacles that are cutting us from reality. What did we do during Kharapakh 20 years ago? we fought and won. What just happened 2 weeks ago, we sold our country... Please people, counter my claims, I want to be wrong, I do not mean say everything will be ok, and period. I mean show me evidence, scientific proof, historical documents anything. I really want to get "thised" on this argument.
    And all the trolls who wont take this convo seriously, shame on you and xxxx you. ... enjoy!
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    Re: Do we have an expriration date???

    I feel your pain, but I still have hopes, believe me, all it takes is a nationalist patriot leader to turn everything around in a very short time. Just look what happened in Russia after Putin took over from crooks and thieves.

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      Re: Do we have an expriration date???

      Not an expiration date, but maybe a "best before" date.
      Plenipotentiary meow!

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        Re: Do we have an expriration date???

        Does the Republic of Armenia have an expiration date? People are still desperate to leave, either for work, or for marriage (to Arabs, Russians, Turks, anyone), and opportunities and education are nowhere near what they should be. If I lived there, I wouldn't want to raise my kids there! I'd leave!

        Improving things in Stepanagerd/Yerevan is a priority, and having a large diaspora is a great asset. We need a government that can work with us, and our established organizations.
        kurtçul kangal

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          Re: Do we have an expriration date???

          The lifeblood of Armenia's civilization depends on you. If you are going to cower away in fear of expiration, that speaks volumes.
          Last edited by jgk3; 10-31-2009, 12:32 PM.

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            Re: Do we have an expriration date???

            Originally posted by AlphaPapa View Post
            Does the Republic of Armenia have an expiration date? People are still desperate to leave, either for work, or for marriage (to Arabs, Russians, Turks, anyone), and opportunities and education are nowhere near what they should be. If I lived there, I wouldn't want to raise my kids there! I'd leave!

            Improving things in Stepanagerd/Yerevan is a priority, and having a large diaspora is a great asset. We need a government that can work with us, and our established organizations.

            Another example of alpha's anti-Armenianism.
            For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
            to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



            http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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              Re: Do we have an expriration date???

              Originally posted by Armanen View Post
              Another example of alpha's anti-Armenianism.
              Why do you feel the need to attack someone because they have a different opinion? How is their expression "anti-Armenianism"? The way I see it, your post is a reflection of anti-intellectualism and mental midgetry. You can express concern of their opinion and disagreement and why you think so, but all too often these 'strong Armenians' on the internet are all about condemning those that don't fit into their pathetic nationalist mold. Have a damn beer for propriety's sake and settle down.
              Achkerov kute.

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                Re: Do we have an expriration date???

                Originally posted by Anonymouse View Post
                Why do you feel the need to attack someone because they have a different opinion? How is their expression "anti-Armenianism"? The way I see it, your post is a reflection of anti-intellectualism and mental midgetry. You can express concern of their opinion and disagreement and why you think so, but all too often these 'strong Armenians' on the internet are all about condemning those that don't fit into their pathetic nationalist mold. Have a damn beer for propriety's sake and settle down.










                Thanks Mouse









                Armanen, if I've said something you disagree with, please explain why. If I'm wrong, please correct me. If I differ in opinion, please respect me.

                No offense, but I've met many irrational patriots, and they're always the ones that do the more harm than assimilated Armenians. They also have daughters that date sev and arab guys, so there's something to that psychology. We don't need to make personal attacks when we're talking about community/national issues.
                kurtçul kangal

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                  Re: Do we have an expriration date???

                  Originally posted by AlphaPapa
                  Does the Republic of Armenia have an expiration date? People are still desperate to leave, either for work, or for marriage (to Arabs, Russians, Turks, anyone), and opportunities and education are nowhere near what they should be. If I lived there, I wouldn't want to raise my kids there! I'd leave!

                  Improving things in Stepanagerd/Yerevan is a priority, and having a large diaspora is a great asset. We need a government that can work with us, and our established organizations.
                  On the one hand you're saying that we need to improve things, and on the other hand you're saying that if you happened to live there, you would leave. If everyone shared your mentality (which I'm sure you wouldn't mind), then who exactly is going to "improve things"? The ghost of Christmas past?

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                    Re: Do we have an expriration date???

                    I'm not a politician with solutions. I can only tell you how most people think, and if the country you live in is bad, and you have an opportunity to improve things for your family, you will.

                    There's a difference between being a wealthy diasporan and moving to Armenia and being a poor indigenous and wanting to find diasporan opportunities.

                    If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line. In the meantime, speaking for myself, I'm not in a position to move there right now. What's wrong with wanting to move there and wanting Armenia to improve AND admitting that Armenia today has very little potential and opportunities? Do I need to lie to myself and others and make up excuses or should I just be honest?
                    kurtçul kangal

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