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    Wikipedia, website of the great lies

    This is so funny, unfortunate I have not taken some screenshots, but I am following the ''Georgians'' page for a while now, and one day there were 3-5 million Georgians, then there were 5-7 million Georgians, and now there are 7-9.7 million Georgians

    There are barely 3.3 million Georgians in Georgia, they claim there are 1.5 million Georgians in Iran, but as an Iranian-Armenian I can say there are no more than 20-50.000 Georgians in Iran (I have never met one, nor has my family).

    They have assimilated the day they came to Iran, the story (Persian story) goes that the Persian king gave the Georgians and the Armenians a choice, or to walk through fire and die, or to convert to Islam. The Georgians immediately converted to Islam and assimilated within a generation, the Armenians however chose to walk through the fire, as the Persian king saw the Armenians were committing suicide for their belief, he let the Armenians have their religion and culture.

    Georgians in Georgia - 3.300.000
    Georgians in Russia - 200.000

    Most of the ''Georgian'' people in Turkey are not Georgian (north-east of Turkey) but Caucasian tribes or have assimilated a long time ago.

    Presumably they count by heritage. If you overestimate their numbers, you will come to about maximum 5 million Georgians at best.

    Whereas wikipedia downgrades the number of Armenians worldwide, if we would have counted Armenians by heritage we would easily be more than 20 million.

    Conclusion: everything that is European or Western is not to be trusted, go mother Russia!

    Last edited by Tigranakert; 05-10-2010, 10:54 AM.
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    Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

    Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
    This is so funny, unfortunate I have not taken some screenshots, but I am following the ''Georgians'' page for a while now, and one day there were 3-5 million Georgians, then there were 5-7 million Georgians, and now there are 7-9.7 million Georgians

    There are barely 3.3 million Georgians in Georgia, they claim there are 1.5 million Georgians in Iran, but as an Iranian-Armenian I can say there are no more than 20-50.000 Georgians in Iran (I have never met one, nor has my family).

    They have assimilated the day they came to Iran, the story (Persian story) goes that the Persian king gave the Georgians and the Armenians a choice, or to walk through fire and die, or to convert to Islam. The Georgians immediately converted to Islam and assimilated within a generation, the Armenians however chose to walk through the fire, as the Persian king saw the Armenians were committing suicide for their belief, he let the Armenians have their religion and culture.

    Georgians in Georgia - 3.300.000
    Georgians in Russia - 200.000

    Most of the ''Georgian'' people in Turkey are not Georgian (north-east of Turkey) but Caucasian tribes or have assimilated a long time ago.

    Presumably they count by heritage. If you overestimate their numbers, you will come to about maximum 5 million Georgians at best.

    Whereas wikipedia downgrades the number of Armenians worldwide, if we would have counted Armenians by heritage we would easily be more than 20 million.

    Conclusion: everything that is European or Western is not to be trusted, go mother Russia!

    Wiki is good to get basic info but for the rest it sucks because every one can change what ever they want so it becomes a breeding ground of propaganda and retards

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      Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

      True. But then again, everything that is Western is biased, Freedom House, OSCE, PACE.

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        Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

        Wikipedia is still pretty important because more often than not, it is the first thing that comes up when you google something. So if there's something that bothers you (such as the Georgian issue) then you should react.

        I don't get it though, the site that they're using as a source says that there are 40,000 Georgian speakers in Iran, yet they still say that there are 500,000-1,500,000 Georgians in Iran. And then in the text they say that there are 300,000-1,500,000... If someone can make any sense out of this then he's as genius as a Georgian.

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          Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

          Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
          This is so funny, unfortunate I have not taken some screenshots, but I am following the ''Georgians'' page for a while now, and one day there were 3-5 million Georgians, then there were 5-7 million Georgians, and now there are 7-9.7 million Georgians

          There are barely 3.3 million Georgians in Georgia, they claim there are 1.5 million Georgians in Iran, but as an Iranian-Armenian I can say there are no more than 20-50.000 Georgians in Iran (I have never met one, nor has my family).

          They have assimilated the day they came to Iran, the story (Persian story) goes that the Persian king gave the Georgians and the Armenians a choice, or to walk through fire and die, or to convert to Islam. The Georgians immediately converted to Islam and assimilated within a generation, the Armenians however chose to walk through the fire, as the Persian king saw the Armenians were committing suicide for their belief, he let the Armenians have their religion and culture.
          They are totally assimilated, converted to Islam and changed even their names. My grandfather has encountered a lot of them in his native hometown and has no high opinion of them.

          And some of these 'proud' Georgians (in Iran) refer to themselves as having Caucasian ancestory.
          Last edited by Lucin; 05-12-2010, 07:45 AM.

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            Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

            It says 5-7 mil now. I think it's a good idea if we edit it to reflect reality rather than georgian fantasy.
            For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
            to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



            http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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              Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

              Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
              Wikipedia is still pretty important because more often than not, it is the first thing that comes up when you google something. So if there's something that bothers you (such as the Georgian issue) then you should react.
              Agreed, Wikipedia is widely used and if the information in wiki is false it should be changed.
              Since this thread is about Wikipedia, could someone(who understands Turkish) check the Turkish Wikipedia version of Armenian genocide and change it if necessary.
              I bet Turkish denialists did their homework there.

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                Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

                Don't be so dramatic, I don't think you know how Wiki's work. Wikipedia doesn't "Downgrade" anything, Armenians can change the information on the pages just like everybody else.

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                  Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

                  Originally posted by Muhaha View Post
                  Don't be so dramatic, I don't think you know how Wiki's work. Wikipedia doesn't "Downgrade" anything, Armenians can change the information on the pages just like everybody else.
                  That is naive.

                  I don't know what the going rate for a Wikipedia administrator is, but I'd say $500,000 is cheap considering all journalists use Wikipedia as a source (sometimes as their only source). Many are already bought.

                  Regarding the Georgian / Anti-Russian propaganda, I suggest you search for "Wikipedia" and "Eastern European Mailing List". The entire email list was on wikileaks. It was organised by a Wikipedia administrator to get an "inconvenient" (i.e. honest and persistant) editor banned. The administrator who did the banning is high up Wikipedia's pyramid of power.

                  Wikipedia has loads of pro-Russian propaganda of course - for example, in Wikipedia's version of history, it was Finland who attacked Russia in 1940 - it all depends on which vested interest group has the upper hand in numbers, persistance, administrator allies, and propaganda sources for a particular article.
                  Plenipotentiary meow!

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                    Re: Wikipedia, website of the great lies

                    Total population

                    c. 4,5-5 Million

                    It went down again

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