I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

[KanadaHye]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

First of all, don't confuse government policy with the mindset of the people. Just because a government doesn't recognize Armenian Genocide doesn't mean the people of that country deny Armenian Genoicde.

All I'm saying that the Genocide issue right now is a political issue, not a historical issue (unfortunately). Countries will use the Genocide to further their own interests. So if a country wants to put pressure on Turkey they will use the Genocide issue, pure and simple. When Israel has important military ties with Turkey, it's going to not recognize Genocide obviously. When it wants to put pressure on Turkey (like now) it will want to recognize it.

What?!

How is the factual and documented genocide of over a million Armenians a political issue?!?!

The question is why does the government of Turkey care whether or not Israel or the USA recognizes the Armenian genocide?

If Turkey is afraid that the J3wish lobby has the power to give Armenian land back to Armenians simply by allowing recognition of the Genocide in the USA and Israel, that means that Israel is the one that has interest in Armenians not getting their lands back. So if the Zionists didn't play a role in the Genocide then why do they hold the cards to Armenian fate?

[Mos]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

Absolutely nonsense. Again, Turkey has good relations with countries who have remained neutral or even RECOGNIZED the Armenian genocide. Again, Israel did not have to support Turkey in their campaign against the Armenian genocide, but because of their nazi government they do, because they think the ''holocaust'' is unique and do not want other countries to talk about other peoples who have suffered, ''they are the ones who suffered and because of that they can do everything they want now''.

Do not forget also the j-e-w-s played a role during the Armenian genocide and the destruction of the Armenian people the last decades (as did the kurds), also in recent history they are one of the major suppliers of Azerbaijan. During the Artsakh war a lot of dirty bombs Azerbaijan used against peaceful Armenian population was Israeli-made.

They are directly responsible for killing thousands of Armenians and they do not care, as if that is not enough, they also openly deny the Armenian genocide (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Israel, again axis of evil).

How can you be friends with Israel gunther if you know one day they will backstab you again? Yes, we can use this momentum, but never trust the devil.

Iran is even better than Israel for us Armenians.

First of all, don't confuse government policy with the mindset of the people. Just because a government doesn't recognize Armenian Genocide doesn't mean the people of that country deny Armenian Genoicde.

All I'm saying that the Genocide issue right now is a political issue, not a historical issue (unfortunately). Countries will use the Genocide to further their own interests. So if a country wants to put pressure on Turkey they will use the Genocide issue, pure and simple. When Israel has important military ties with Turkey, it's going to not recognize Genocide obviously. When it wants to put pressure on Turkey (like now) it will want to recognize it.

xxxs played a role during Armenian Genocide? What are you member of the Armenian Aryan Union?

And yes Israel helps Azerbaijan, so for that I don't support Israel very much.

Honestly, once Karabakh issue gets solved, all this won't matter. Our military will be a purely defensive one, and we won't preoccupy ourselves with alliances and potential war. We will finally have peace and stability in our region, open borders everywhere, and free trade everywhere. Our country can prosper, and we can finally live in peace. I wait for that day eagerly, because honestly I'm sick of threat of war, military build up, and all this hate that has engulfed our region.

[Tigranakert]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

That's not how it is. Countries do whatever serves their interest at the moment. When Israel was very close with Turkey, recognizing the Armenian Genocide would have ruined ties. Now that the ties are ruined, Israel is strongly considering recognizing Armenian Genocide. So it doesn't have to do with fact that they think their Holocaust is unique. Actually, many Israelis wish for the Armenian Genocide to be recognized (and I know this from experience). So the worse the ties with Turkey are, the bigger chance our genocide will be recognized.

Some xxxish professors actuals sent letter to the PM of Israel asking for the recognition, and xxxish groups in US have vowed not to help Turkey, and may even help get Armenian Genocide passed.There's no reason, logic, moral You see it's all about self interest, that's politics.

Absolutely nonsense. Again, Turkey has good relations with countries who have remained neutral or even RECOGNIZED the Armenian genocide. Again, Israel did not have to support Turkey in their campaign against the Armenian genocide, but because of their nazi government they do, because they think the ''holocaust'' is unique and do not want other countries to talk about other peoples who have suffered, ''they are the ones who suffered and because of that they can do everything they want now''.

Do not forget also the j-e-w-s played a role during the Armenian genocide and the destruction of the Armenian people the last decades (as did the kurds), also in recent history they are one of the major suppliers of Azerbaijan. During the Artsakh war a lot of dirty bombs Azerbaijan used against peaceful Armenian population was Israeli-made.

They are directly responsible for killing thousands of Armenians and they do not care, as if that is not enough, they also openly deny the Armenian genocide (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Israel, again axis of evil).

How can you be friends with Israel gunther if you know one day they will backstab you again? Yes, we can use this momentum, but never trust the devil.

Iran is even better than Israel for us Armenians.

[KanadaHye]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

Gunther who's antisemitism are you talking about? It is true that many xxxs as well as Turks think that the Holocaust is unique even though the Armenian genocide was clearly a precedent...

Not to mention the 40 to 50 million other ethnic groups and minorities who lost their lives in WWII. Somehow they are lost in the shadows of the Holocaust.

Politics is politics but I would ally myself with the devil if it means tearing the Turks a new one and finally getting the recognition we've been waiting for for too long.

You can kiss the devil's vorr if you think it's going to get you anywhere, but be aware that while you're kissing it, his pointy tail is already far up yours.

[Davo88]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

Gunther who's antisemitism are you talking about? It is true that many xxxs as well as Turks think that the Holocaust is unique even though the Armenian genocide was clearly a precedent...

[Haykakan]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

You can think and say what you want. The fact is that xxxs are a potent and powerful force both in America and internationally. Yes, it is important for us to have these forces on our side at the moment. I dont care what their motives are. It is of prime importance for us to have these forces on our side and finally get the Armenian Genocide the recognition it deserves. This nazi-style anti-semitism belongs on Stormfront and will get our people absolutely nowhere.
The fact that xxxs f--ing hate Turkey right now and ties between Turkey and Israel are virtually nonexistent is a very good thing for us. Yes! we should actually encourage these developments and establish ties with them.

Politics is politics but I would ally myself with the devil if it means tearing the Turks a new one and finally getting the recognition we've been waiting for for too long.

Since when is talking against Racism and hypocracy "nazi style anti-semitism"? This is typical zionist bs! Isreal is not immune to criticism! Isreal is the one who made sure our genocide was not recognized, it is the one arming our enemy-azeris with modern weapons to be used against us, it is presently engaged in mass murder, ethnic cleansing, blockade, torture,......Isreal talking of armenian genocide recognition is as hypocritical as the turcks blaming the isrealis for ethnic cleansing. You cant criticise another for doing the same thing your doing. A nation is and will be whatever you built it on, should you ally yourself with the devile (isreal) to achieve your ends then the final result will always be tainted as isreal is today.

[gunther]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

You can think and say what you want. The fact is that xxxs are a potent and powerful force both in America and internationally. Yes, it is important for us to have these forces on our side at the moment. I dont care what their motives are. It is of prime importance for us to have these forces on our side and finally get the Armenian Genocide the recognition it deserves. This nazi-style anti-semitism belongs on Stormfront and will get our people absolutely nowhere.
The fact that xxxs f--ing hate Turkey right now and ties between Turkey and Israel are virtually nonexistent is a very good thing for us. Yes! we should actually encourage these developments and establish ties with them.

Politics is politics but I would ally myself with the devil if it means tearing the Turks a new one and finally getting the recognition we've been waiting for for too long.

[KanadaHye]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

Some xxxish professors actuals sent letter to the PM of Israel asking for the recognition, and xxxish groups in US have vowed not to help Turkey, and may even help get Armenian Genocide passed.There's no reason, logic, moral You see it's all about self interest, that's politics.

Politics is also about pretending to care when you don't and making promises and vows that you don't intend to keep. The Hyra lobby is basically saying that Armenians are in their hands and they'll use us as they see fit and push us to the side when it's convenient.

[Mos]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

What you forgot is the following:
Certain Zionists or xxxs have come up with the argument that the Holocaust is "unique" which is one of the main reasons why they continue supporting the Armenian genocide deniers. Though I do not know if this is simply an "excuse" to support the Turks in this issue. Where are these Zionists now that they see the true face of Turkey?

If the xxxs think that they have a monopoly in suffering they are mistaken, especially considering the fact that contrarily to their Holocaust:

-Armenians were taken away from their historical homeland after living there for 3000 years whereas the xxxs, after the Holocaust, got their homeland where they were only a small minority for 2000 years.
-1.5 million were killed in such a smaller area (Western Armenia) than 6 million (in Europe).
-Armenians are still waiting for proper retribution.
etc. etc...

That's not how it is. Countries do whatever serves their interest at the moment. When Israel was very close with Turkey, recognizing the Armenian Genocide would have ruined ties. Now that the ties are ruined, Israel is strongly considering recognizing Armenian Genocide. So it doesn't have to do with fact that they think their Holocaust is unique. Actually, many Israelis wish for the Armenian Genocide to be recognized (and I know this from experience). So the worse the ties with Turkey are, the bigger chance our genocide will be recognized.

Some xxxish professors actuals sent letter to the PM of Israel asking for the recognition, and xxxish groups in US have vowed not to help Turkey, and may even help get Armenian Genocide passed.There's no reason, logic, moral You see it's all about self interest, that's politics.

[Haykakan]

Re: I never hear anything about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem...

because no news is good news. armenians in jerusalem have no problems with anyone and nobody has a problem with them. they consider themselves loyal israeli citizens.

btw, it is only a matter of brief time before Israel officially recognizes the Armenian Genocide.

There was plenty of news. Like when Isreal built the fence right through Armenian Church Lands, like when xxx religious students spat on our clergy, like the armenian that was killed during the siege of the Armenian church. Most of the chritians have left jerusalem because life was becoming unbearable for anyone but the xxxs. The zionist hypocrits can keep their recognition to themselves as far as i am conserned they have already shown their true faces by denying us justice for all these years.