What profit you expect?

[KanadaHye]

Re: What profit you expect?

BTW, I don't think it is worth discussing things with this person. I don't see anything worthy or interesting in his/her words, or any indication of intelligence. I'm not saying that lightly since, as I've said a number of times in the past, one of the main reasons I still visit here is to "rescue" the occasional Turkish visitor from being mauled by some or all of this forums more obnoxious members. But in this case, maul away.

You know how an ant trap works where the ant brings the poison back to the rest of the colony. It might work here


Musty, first watch these two videos... I'm sure you'll recognize some turkish words that are in the first video.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37525778@N03/4353072604/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37525778@N03/4352249059/

Second, we don't want anything from Turks what we want is from the state of Turkey. We want them to stop teaching lies to their children. We want the truth to be exposed. The Turks know their government are a bunch of liars but they themselves are afraid to speak up. Look what happened to Hrant Dink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjYobyqSkA4. You shouldn't have to live in fear in your own country and Hrant was every bit as much a Turkish citizen as he was an ethnic Armenian.

[Eddo211]

Re: What profit you expect?

I am really curious how can you demand land these lands.After Armenian emperor dikran you never ruled the area

1071, Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk occupation of Armenia is when Armenia truly lost its sovereignty............not counting the separate Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia which continued.
It wasn’t until 15th century that the last of Armenia fell to the new Ottoman Empire.

and also Armenians did not came up from these lands.

The land that you walk on.....Armenia was a civilization long before falling under the Roman and then Byzantium Empires but it still maintained sovereignty with no large scale permenent occupation.

Do you know who really were the Malmuks?

[Musty]

Re: What profit you expect?

Truth is always its own profit. The problem is not what we gain by the truth but rather what we keep losing (as humans) to stupidity, ignorance, and "blind" nationalism due to lies.

Truth is relative a term in most situation.Truth fancy is different for everyone so for nations.

Mutual truth that everyone admit is ; Armenians died in those years.Turks killed them.

Truth for you ; It was a genocide , planned to destroying Armenian nation completely.

Truth for us ; We needed to deport armenians because they were a threat to us and we already had enough enemies.
If armenians were that ingenuous about this,i wouldnt see comments like ''give our lands back.''I see this kind of comments everywhere not only here.So of course i think there is a malevolence here.

You say its too late for kurds and armenians..and now it is kurds?If you dont have information do not blame turks for committing genocide against kurds.It was assimilation not genocide.Since i think you know what genocide notion really means i wont speak about it anymore.
Btw,while %90 of armenians i saw dreaming about taking some lands from turks with genocide recognisition,your point is not satisfying.

[Musty]

Re: What profit you expect?

BTW, I don't think it is worth discussing things with this person. I don't see anything worthy or interesting in his/her words, or any indication of intelligence. I'm not saying that lightly since, as I've said a number of times in the past, one of the main reasons I still visit here is to "rescue" the occasional Turkish visitor from being mauled by some or all of this forums more obnoxious members. But in this case, maul away.

here is an irrevelant story ;
my father died when i was 7 years old.after i lost him i had to start work work work work and work while also going to school.Now im 25 y/o i have my own weaving company as a reward of my hardwork from childhood (while you guys playing games) but besides this i had to forget my english education.If you cant see any intelligence or interesting in my words,it is because i have no proper english so i cant express myself.i wish i had great english but i dont feel guilty for not having it.Life is not fair enough.

I have bad english but i see you can easily understand what im trying to say so what is the problem?I do not need your protection from being mauled.Waste your energy to be constructive about this issue not to ''rescue'' me from being mauled.
and if you really think it is not worth to discuss anything with me you can be sure i can live without your comments or your existence

[gegev]

Re: What profit you expect?

So my question again ; What profit do you expect if Turks admits it?

If a murderer killed somebody and seized his land, home and other property, court for sure will return it back to the people/nation it belonged to. This rule applies in civilized societies. I guess the same rule applies worldwide. Do you think that Turks should be excluded from the list?

[Musty]

Re: What profit you expect?

Speaking for myself the answer is none....in fact I could care less what Turkey recognizes.

You can restore your long lost honor....or you can continue to live a life of clay, your choice.
Frankly I think you should stick to your governments position on this because any recognition by Turkey will tear the fabric of your society apart.

We dont flatter ourselves about killing Armenians but we also dont think its dishonorable.If you were the ruler of the country and a big minority in your country were about to revolt against you while you were already in trouble with all the world and had to fight against 25 different nations,you would also deported the minorities that are about to revolt for theri independance.If Ottoman wouldn deport Armenians,with the provokes of EU and help of the Russia,Armenians would be a huge threat against Turks so we would have lost the world war so bad.

[Musty]

Re: What profit you expect?

If a murderer killed somebody and seized his land, home and other property, court for sure will return it back to the people/nation it belonged to. This rule applies in civilized societies. I guess the same rule applies worldwide. Do you think that Turks should be excluded from the list?

As i mentioned before , Armenians ruled these lands only in about the years AC400.After or before that they never ruled it.
I cant understand how can you think that Turks took your lands?Turks took these lands from byzanties , armenians never show up against us as an independant country and as owner of these lands.
Well,i wrote about it you should have read.Typing the same things is not necessary.

[gegev]

Re: What profit you expect?

As i mentioned before , Armenians ruled these lands only in about the years AC400.After or before that they never ruled it.
I cant understand how can you think that Turks took your lands?Turks took these lands from byzanties , armenians never show up against us as an independant country and as owner of these lands.
Well,i wrote about it you should have read.Typing the same things is not necessary.

You lost the World War I too, you don’t know about it. Your army commanders/sultan have been kissing the hands of Christian winners, as usual, and couldn’t bark at that time.You don’t know about Wilson arbitration on Armenia. But now you started it loudly. Will see ....

[Musty]

Re: What profit you expect?

You know how an ant trap works where the ant brings the poison back to the rest of the colony. It might work here


Musty, first watch these two videos... I'm sure you'll recognize some turkish words that are in the first video.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37525778@N03/4353072604/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37525778@N03/4352249059/

Second, we don't want anything from Turks what we want is from the state of Turkey. We want them to stop teaching lies to their children. We want the truth to be exposed. The Turks know their government are a bunch of liars but they themselves are afraid to speak up. Look what happened to Hrant Dink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjYobyqSkA4. You shouldn't have to live in fear in your own country and Hrant was every bit as much a Turkish citizen as he was an ethnic Armenian.

I watched the videos.These people in videos suffered too much indeed.I dont say they are liars or something.Beside this i try to find the videos that show about some elder Turks that suffered too much in hands of Armenians in those years.when i find i'll give the link.

you say you dont want anything from Turks but %90 of the Armenians want Turks dead and exiled to asia I saw many comments from Armenians refers to a guy's word(i dont know who is he) ''Best Turk is a dead Turk''.

You say , Turkish governors should stop teaching lies.Turks think , Armenian should stop brain-wash eachother and stop propagand.
Btw all governments are liars,politics requires lies.This is true for Turkish government,French gov.your government USA gov. etc..So both side thinking the same thing as you are.

About Hrant Dink ; i dont know who organized his murder and noone know.It may be the Turkish ultranationalist , it may be USA or any EU country that tries to generate chaos in Turkey or it even may be Armenians themselves to go further and get better success in genocide propagand.Ogün Samas the murderer is deceived by more powerful sources and used as an handle.I dont say he is innocent deep inside,he is guilty of Hrant Dink's death butits clearly not his organization only.So it would be wrong if you say Turks killed him without the truth.

Hrant Dink was a symbol of Armenians in Turkey so he may lived in fear it is normal,not the right thing but it is normal.If some Turkish symbol that denies genocide lived in Armenia he also would live in fear and he also may be killed.In all nations there are some extravagance,due to this no one should blame the whole nation.

[retro]

Re: What profit you expect?

We dont flatter ourselves about killing Armenians but we also dont think its dishonorable.If you were the ruler of the country and a big minority in your country were about to revolt against you while you were already in trouble with all the world and had to fight against 25 different nations,you would also deported the minorities that are about to revolt for theri independance.If Ottoman wouldn deport Armenians,with the provokes of EU and help of the Russia,Armenians would be a huge threat against Turks so we would have lost the world war so bad.

You did a lot more than merely "deport" the Armenians. What about the Assyrians, Greeks and Maronite Lebanese where all of these Christian minorities a threat to you?

Whilst todays Turks aren't responsible for their forfathers deeds. Your people are perpetuating a lie by denying what happened in the past and as a Arab girl said to me. "The longer it goes on [the Turks denial] the worse it gets." No one wants to be associated with this sort of thing and it can only place your alliances under strain.