Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

But as I said, what if the desire to spend that night together was mutual?

Mutual or not, the woman is well aware that what she's about to do may lead to a child. Furthermore, she knows it's with a man that may not stick around, which means that she may be stuck with the child. Now, if she's aware of the risks and is not forced to do anything, then she should be fully responswible for her actions. When a man gets a woman pregnant the assumption is that he knew the risks and should be responsible for his actions, but magically the woman isn't. What's worse is that when the father wants the child, the woman may still decide to kill it. This isn't her body her choice. It's let her do whatever she feels like doing.

And how should she know in such a short time that the man won't care?

Haven't you heard of women's intuition?

[Mos]

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Then it's the woman's fault for choosing a man who doesn't care about her. She should wear the "keep your hands off my body" shirt prior to doing stupid things.

But as I said, what if the desire to spend that night together was mutual? And how should she know in such a short time that the man won't care?

[KanadaHye]

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I understand the dilemma given the man wants the baby, but what if the man doesn't care? It was just sex for one night and that's it, and the man leaves after that? Let's also say the desire to get together was mutual (as it's almost always is, unless rape). So both sides wanted it, but only one side carries the burden?

Then it's the woman's fault for choosing a man who doesn't care about her. She should wear the "keep your hands off my body" shirt prior to doing stupid things.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Unless she got raped, she wasn't forced to have sex. It was her choice, to have sex, and hence it is her responsibility to have the child. Adoption is always an option. Abortion is a selfish move so that she never feels guilty about letting a child go. She has the freedom to have sex unmarried and thus she has the responsibility of the children her actions may produce.

Her body, her choice is bullxxxx, as once the baby is alive, it's no longer her body.

I understand the dilemma given the man wants the baby, but what if the man doesn't care? It was just sex for one night and that's it, and the man leaves after that? Let's also say the desire to get together was mutual (as it's almost always is, unless rape). So both sides wanted it, but only one side carries the burden?

[levon]

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No I do advocate equality, but since the circumstance is revolving around the woman's own body, maybe she should have more say in what happens.

Unless she got raped, she wasn't forced to have sex. It was her choice, to have sex, and hence it is her responsibility to have the child. Adoption is always an option. Abortion is a selfish move so that she never feels guilty about letting a child go. She has the freedom to have sex unmarried and thus she has the responsibility of the children her actions may produce.

Her body, her choice is bullxxxx, as once the baby is alive, it's no longer her body.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You can call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day it's a woman killing her baby because she doesn't want it. The father has absolutely no say. If it was her body, she should have exercised restraint and not have gotten pregnant in the first place. She made a mistake and so should pay for it. You advocate equality, yet show a double standard here. Which is it?

No I do advocate equality, but since the circumstance is revolving around the woman's own body, maybe she should have more say in what happens.

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

When it comes to the whole baby thing, it's a bit more complicated, because in the end of the day it's the women carrying the baby, it's literally part of her body, thus it's natural laws regarding pregnancy will favour women.

You can call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day it's a woman killing her baby because she doesn't want it. The father has absolutely no say. If it was her body, she should have exercised restraint and not have gotten pregnant in the first place. She made a mistake and so should pay for it. You advocate equality, yet show a double standard here. Which is it?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

In my view, women should have the choice if they want to work or stay at home, or live on the streets, but given they go into the work field, there should be no special privileges for women and both men and women should be treated equally. Any attempt to raise the privileges of women above men is not 'feminism' anymore, if one is following the strict dictionary definition of that term.

The definition is general.... there are all kinds of feminism but the radical feminists are a few fries short of a happy meal.

[Mos]

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It's funny, because prior to feminism, an average middle class woman was much better off than an average middle class woman now. She enjoyed the same standard of living, but didn't have to work. Working class women couldn't afford to stay home, they had to work. Upper class women still don't work. The only thing that happened is that middle class women now have to work, but their standard of living hasn't changed.

Feminism was never about equality. From it's early days, it's most vocal activists were almost all lesbian harpies and hated men. It was a movement against family. All of their early literature suggests that the main goals were to "free" women from family, and from children. This was so successful that now women simply cannot quit working. But feminists accomplished this through selling women the idea that they can have it all, and when the walls come crashing down you get a whole new generation of unhappy women, overworked and single. Whom to blame? Why, feminism has the answer again. Those vile, evil men keep women down. We need more laws to ensure women get treated more equally.

If anything, feminists are saying that women are dump, irresponsible xxxxxs who should not be accounted for anything they do and constantly need help. If they are so equal, why all the laws specifically aimed at protecting and advancing women? Why is a man responsible for the baby, but a woman can kill it? If it's her body, then she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, but the hidden assumption is that it was the man's responsibility to not get her pregnant,not the woman's, hence he should be responsible for the baby, but the woman can kill it if she doesn't want it. In other words, a woman is a complete moron who doesn't know what the f#ck she's doing and should be bailed out when she realizes she has made a mistake. But a man, being the responsible one, should go with whatever the woman decides to do. So, woman = moron. But what feminist will admit this simple truth? Not a single one, because feminists don't have brains to begin with. Their entire thought process is formulated through emotion.

In my view, women should have the choice if they want to work or stay at home, or live on the streets, but given they go into the work field, there should be no special privileges for women and both men and women should be treated equally. Any attempt to raise the privileges of women above men is not 'feminism' anymore, if one is following the strict dictionary definition of that term.

When it comes to the whole baby thing, it's a bit more complicated, because in the end of the day it's the women carrying the baby, it's literally part of her body, thus it's natural laws regarding pregnancy will favour women.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

A "feminist" being any women who doesn't stay in the kitchen?

I don't know anyone who would use the word "feminism" in conversation

Apparently you don't hang out with the "cool cats".