Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Is there a solution guys? Really, these people are the exceptions. Normal people don't punch themselves and blame another.
Should we disbelieve all women because of these few?

[KanadaHye]

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In the ideal world what you're saying would make sense, but sadly, in the real world, that's not how it is.

Tomorrow, your wife could find a new lover, punch herself in the face then tell the cops you did it, the cops will throw you in jail while she gets a restraining order and files for divorce. You probably won't be able to beat the charges, because it's a woman's word against yours. If you're lucky you'll get probation, otherwise you'll do at least 2 months in jail. When you get out, you'll be in the middle of an ugly divorce and custody battle. She might even accuse you of sexually abusing your kids. You won't get custody and will probably not get visitation either, given that you're a known batterer (since you just got off a DV charge). She'll get the house since the kids are with her and need a house. You'll be paying child support and alimony. She'll be living it up and you'll be f#cked. Thing this is rare? The most common advice divorce attorneys give their (female) clients is to get a restraining order (DV charges are the best).

When the balance of power shifts to somewhere in the middle then you can come back and preach your idealism. When idiots hold a gun to your face you have to duck, not start preaching about how idiots are just as "smart" and "responsible" as the rest of us.

This happened to 2 coworkers of mine when I was working in Michigan. They were the type of guys that were involved with their kids, career oriented, etc. I don't mind when it happens to pricks but these guys didn't deserve it.

[levon]

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It is obvious that many here look at women in a similar manner many look at women in muslim countries. I guess living in and close to islamic countries rubbed off on many of our own people. I do think many feminists are out of their minds and simply hate man but it is also obvious that many men (especially in this forum) cannot comprehend a woman outside her traditional role. We do not live in a controlled environment, it so happens that the universe, the world, society and people are in a constant state of change and what was true generations ago may not be true now. The role of a man and a woman is not static. People take on and are relieved of responcibilities based on the environment they live in. If the environment allowes for women to expand their roles then many will and the same goes for men. I think many people look at gender with a very closed and limited mind which is perhaps the resullt of religious dogma. The truth is that humans (males and females) are adaptable creatures and we are simply adepting to the changes around us. This adaptability is why we have survived as a species and keeping artificial boundaries that no longer serve a purpose does not make any sence. Staying a virgin till getting married may have made sence when we lived in villages and women were married off in their mid teen years but it makes no sence to most of us living in the modern world where women get married much later in life. Our biology makes us a female or a male but it also alllowes us to be flexible and adapt to changes and limiting our adaptibility to change is a mistake because it limits our ability to survive. The role of a women and a man are changing because of environmental changes. In no way does this fact excuse idiotic and irresponcible behaviour by either sex but it does remind us that change is a constant in life.

In the ideal world what you're saying would make sense, but sadly, in the real world, that's not how it is.

Tomorrow, your wife could find a new lover, punch herself in the face then tell the cops you did it, the cops will throw you in jail while she gets a restraining order and files for divorce. You probably won't be able to beat the charges, because it's a woman's word against yours. If you're lucky you'll get probation, otherwise you'll do at least 2 months in jail. When you get out, you'll be in the middle of an ugly divorce and custody battle. She might even accuse you of sexually abusing your kids. You won't get custody and will probably not get visitation either, given that you're a known batterer (since you just got off a DV charge). She'll get the house since the kids are with her and need a house. You'll be paying child support and alimony. She'll be living it up and you'll be f#cked. Thing this is rare? The most common advice divorce attorneys give their (female) clients is to get a restraining order (DV charges are the best).

When the balance of power shifts to somewhere in the middle then you can come back and preach your idealism. When idiots hold a gun to your face you have to duck, not start preaching about how idiots are just as "smart" and "responsible" as the rest of us.

[Haykakan]

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It is obvious that many here look at women in a similar manner many look at women in muslim countries. I guess living in and close to islamic countries rubbed off on many of our own people. I do think many feminists are out of their minds and simply hate man but it is also obvious that many men (especially in this forum) cannot comprehend a woman outside her traditional role. We do not live in a controlled environment, it so happens that the universe, the world, society and people are in a constant state of change and what was true generations ago may not be true now. The role of a man and a woman is not static. People take on and are relieved of responcibilities based on the environment they live in. If the environment allowes for women to expand their roles then many will and the same goes for men. I think many people look at gender with a very closed and limited mind which is perhaps the resullt of religious dogma. The truth is that humans (males and females) are adaptable creatures and we are simply adepting to the changes around us. This adaptability is why we have survived as a species and keeping artificial boundaries that no longer serve a purpose does not make any sence. Staying a virgin till getting married may have made sence when we lived in villages and women were married off in their mid teen years but it makes no sence to most of us living in the modern world where women get married much later in life. Our biology makes us a female or a male but it also alllowes us to be flexible and adapt to changes and limiting our adaptibility to change is a mistake because it limits our ability to survive. The role of a women and a man are changing because of environmental changes. In no way does this fact excuse idiotic and irresponcible behaviour by either sex but it does remind us that change is a constant in life.

[KanadaHye]

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You need to break free from the matriarchy, bro.

I'd say the "war" of the sexes is promoted by Israeli interest groups but I wouldn't want the anti-semetic label to get tossed around for exposing the truth.

[levon]

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I understand in the case when the father wants the child. If the both the father and mother don't want the child - the choice is also clear here. However, if the man leaves after sleeping with the woman, it's safe to assume he's not interested in a future with that woman and with that a safe assumption that he wouldn't want a child either with that woman. But if the woman by accident gets pregnant, why shouldn't both the man and woman have to be responsible for the pregnancy? Didn't that man also make a choice of sleeping with that woman, and carrying the risks of having a child?

You need to break free from the matriarchy, bro. Read and learn mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

Okay, a lot of you guys have a hard time understanding that there is a gender war going on in the world, in the western world in particular. What don't you understand about the words "gender" and "war"? Let me break it down for you:

Gender - As relating to the different sexes, namely Male and female.

War - Aggressive conflict to impose one will over another will.

Get off the fence and help your fellow Men's Rights Activists today, and stop worshipping pu$$y. You know how stupid a man looks worshipping pu$$y and jumping threw hoops and stuff to get laid. He automatically surrenders any pride whatsoever he had the moment he is being led on and controlled by a woman.

Need to get laid and b!tches aren't lining up outside your door, or you don't have a special friend that performs these services free of charge without the pu$$y worshipping ritual and humiliation that goes with it? - HIRE A PROSTITUTE.

Can't afford a prostitute or you are just too cheap - WACK OFF.

HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR YOURSELF

[KanadaHye]

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However, if the man leaves after sleeping with the woman, it's safe to assume he's not interested in a future with that woman and with that a safe assumption that he wouldn't want a child either with that woman. But if the woman by accident gets pregnant, why shouldn't both the man and woman have to be responsible for the pregnancy? Didn't that man also make a choice of sleeping with that woman, and carrying the risks of having a child?

Well, the case here is not so clear because since the man doesn't know the whereabouts of the woman, he might not be responsible for the baby (The pregnancy might have been caused by another man).

Also, there are no illegitimate children, just illegitimate parents

[gegev]

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I understand in the case when the father wants the child. If the both the father and mother don't want the child - the choice is also clear here. However, if the man leaves after sleeping with the woman, it's safe to assume he's not interested in a future with that woman and with that a safe assumption that he wouldn't want a child either with that woman. But if the woman by accident gets pregnant, why shouldn't both the man and woman have to be responsible for the pregnancy? Didn't that man also make a choice of sleeping with that woman, and carrying the risks of having a child?

Not that much; because the mother is the one who would maintain the offspring for nine months in her body and is enabled by God/nature to produce appropriate food/milk to feed the child; therefore in this aspect she is the “God” of the growing baby. Thus mother/woman, according to her nature, is required taking more responsibility in that.
And think twice before sleeping with the man.

To prevent women making the kind of critical mistakes; they should be properly educated, in this aspect, at school/church and family.

Commandment # 7. You shall not commit adultery.

[Mos]

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Mutual or not, the woman is well aware that what she's about to do may lead to a child. Furthermore, she knows it's with a man that may not stick around, which means that she may be stuck with the child. Now, if she's aware of the risks and is not forced to do anything, then she should be fully responswible for her actions. When a man gets a woman pregnant the assumption is that he knew the risks and should be responsible for his actions, but magically the woman isn't. What's worse is that when the father wants the child, the woman may still decide to kill it. This isn't her body her choice. It's let her do whatever she feels like doing.


Haven't you heard of women's intuition?

I understand in the case when the father wants the child. If the both the father and mother don't want the child - the choice is also clear here. However, if the man leaves after sleeping with the woman, it's safe to assume he's not interested in a future with that woman and with that a safe assumption that he wouldn't want a child either with that woman. But if the woman by accident gets pregnant, why shouldn't both the man and woman have to be responsible for the pregnancy? Didn't that man also make a choice of sleeping with that woman, and carrying the risks of having a child?

[KanadaHye]

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Most interestingly, all of you are going to continue saying "I'm right, you're wrong." Put it this way... if all of you strive to be your best in everything that you do and find YOUR ideal spouse -- what the hell does it matter about other's opinions on it? You know what you want, go for it. You know what you'd do, so do it.

Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way. The decisions that other people make everyday affects you as well.