How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

In any case, Armenia and Iran like in the past will continue to have cordial relations based on mutual interests, regardless of the Genocide 'recognition'. In today's political atmosphere Iran's recognition of the Genocide would not have much significance, in my opinion.

If you believe that: Sponsor a petition to take the AG memorials out of Iran that the government approved without precondition starting in the 1930s; write a letter to the former President of Iran asking him rescind his visit to the AG memorial in Armenia (which didn't require bribes or lobbying) and tell the Iranian President that you don't need his condolences. Put in your letter that the U.S. and its allies have treated you better and that a sign should be put up next the Armenian churches that Iran helped build that state the following:

Go pray towards Mecca and shout 'allahu akbar'

In case you missed the sarcasm of my points; I believe a lot of under-educated attitudes regarding the contributions Iranians have made to the survival of Armenians and Armenia will harm your countrymen. As these sorts of ideas gain a foothold without sharply being rebuked, you can be certain that Iranians will be increasingly alienated.

If your government hasn't thought of educating its population about the relevant Iranian/Armenian history, in my estimation that's a big miscalculation. Stated differently, I am so surprised at how misinformed, ungrateful, and insulting some Armenians are, and I'm sure other Iranians will be too.

Here's an idea:

1. Go ask your government why Armenia was 3 times the size it was when it was protected by Iran?

2. Ask your government whether the AG occurred AFTER certain Armenian politicians thought that 'Armenia being within Iran's sphere of influence was bad' and demanded that Russia take over?

3. Ask your government how many wars Iran fought against the Ottomans and Mongols that kept trying invade Iran from the North to wipe out Armenia?

4. Ask your government for a list of countries that didn't blockade Armenia during that NK war and refused to sell Baku weapons.

When you have that information at hand, let me know your findings.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Anhamer, Kanada...

Kiddem Lucin, I was playing diplomat

[Lucin]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

1. Tell me more about the Iranian "inferiority complex"-- it's interesting for Iranians to learn what Armenians think of them.

2. Whether I condemn Iranians or not for evading military service is not the point (Frankly, you don't know my views on that subject as I've never expressed them, and it's silly for you to assume you do.). However, I asked Karo several questions -- let's see if he will man-up and answer them directly. Once he answers, you can ask me anything you want.

3. Your question is a silly one - and contains an erroneous factual assumption that I will point out after Karo answer - you're not Karo, so let's not get off track. (Here's a hint: Go and check the dates of when the bulk of the Iranian diaspora took place, and the date of the start of the Iran/Iraq war, and add to it the military service requirements. Once you do that, you will see the flaws in your question.)

Why don't you give Karo a chance to see if he can answer the questions I asked without running interference for him? And please tell us more about the Iranian "inferiority complex" - exactly WHO are we inferior to, WHY do you think we're inferior, and WHERE do you get your data from?

Obviously my talk was referred to the person who said : "Incidentally, why don't you, and others like you, cut the crap: Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran? Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran?" not to all Iranians. I am an Iranian myself. So no need to generalize...

And it is the point, you just easily down played the role of Iranian-Armenians in the eight-year imposed war. So as an Iranian-Armenian I feel compelled to clarify, regardless of what another member has to say.

I wouldn't take it too personally, Armenian women say the same about Armenian men

Anhamer, Kanada...

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

1. Tell me more about the Iranian "inferiority complex"-- it's interesting for Iranians to learn what Armenians think of them.

I wouldn't take it too personally, Armenian women say the same about Armenian men

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Oh really? How about those tens of thousands of Iranians who chose to flee to Turkey, Europe or Southern California instead of defending their motherland? How about those who went and will still go at any length to escape the military service? Why should an average Iranian-Armenian act so differently? ... I think you sometimes spoil your healthy, intelligent approaches to different matters by such unbalanced statements deriving from a 'superiority' complex which is a result of an underlying inferiority complex.

1. Tell me more about the Iranian "inferiority complex"-- it's interesting for Iranians to learn what Armenians think of them.

2. Whether I condemn Iranians or not for evading military service is not the point (Frankly, you don't know my views on that subject as I've never expressed them, and it's silly for you to assume you do.). However, I asked Karo several questions -- let's see if he will man-up and answer them directly. Once he answers, you can ask me anything you want.

3. Your question is a silly one - and contains an erroneous factual assumption that I will point out after Karo answer - you're not Karo, so let's not get off track. (Here's a hint: Go and check the dates of when the bulk of the Iranian diaspora took place, and the date of the start of the Iran/Iraq war, and add to it the military service requirements. Once you do that, you will see the flaws in your question.)

Why don't you give Karo a chance to see if he can answer the questions I asked without running interference for him? And please tell us more about the Iranian "inferiority complex" - exactly WHO are we inferior to, WHY do you think we're inferior, and WHERE do you get your data from?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Oh really? How about those tens of thousands of Iranians who chose to flee to Turkey, Europe or Southern California instead of defending their motherland? How about those who went and will still go at any length to escape the military service? Why should an average Iranian-Armenian act so differently? Armenians of Iran have done/do more than any religious minority to contribute to the prosperity of Iran on different levels; social, economic, cultural...

While I do not agree here with Karo (a recognition means little to Armenia today), I think you sometimes spoil your healthy, intelligent approaches to different matters by such unbalanced statements deriving from a 'superiority' complex which is a result of an underlying inferiority complex.

Well, in all honesty.... I don't know too many people that would stay and fight knowing the reasons behind the war. Defending your country is one thing and playing pawn for world powers is another. Was anything really accomplished on either side in the Iran-Iraq war besides the slaughter of people on both sides?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Yes that exactly what I am talking about...

Typical anti-semite propaganda.... very cheap by the way....

1. Is it "anti-semitic propaganda" to object to a grown man defend an the ancient J*wish custom of performing oral sex on little boys (which goes on today)?

2. Is it "anti-semitic propaganda" to object to the Israeli military killing people, including small kids, to steal their internal organs? Do you know of another military that does this?

3. Is it "anti-semitic propaganda" to object to Israel affirmatively blocking recognition of Armenian Genocide in other countries for money?

4. Is it "anti-semitic propaganda" to object to Israel building a country on top of the land of other people for 60 years, and engaging in 60 years of war crimes through the use of American weapons on a captive population held in the world largest out-door prison (Gaza)?

[Lucin]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

2. Iran gave Armenians refuge and safety during the Genocide: ("Thousands of Armenians had escaped to Iran during the genocide." A History of the Armenian People Volume II, George A. Bournoutian Prof. of Armenian History, Columbia Univ.) While Iran gave protection, food, shelter, and opportunity to Armenians fleeing the Turkish pogroms what did the U.S. do? Nothing.

a) Incidentally, why don't you, and others like you, cut the crap: Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran? Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran? Which is it Karo?

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Oh really? How about those tens of thousands of Iranians who chose to flee to Turkey, Europe or Southern California instead of defending their motherland? How about those who went and will still go at any length to escape the military service? Why should an average Iranian-Armenian act so differently? Armenians of Iran have done/do more than any religious minority to contribute to the prosperity of Iran on different levels; social, economic, cultural...

While I do not agree here with Karo (a recognition means little to Armenia today), I think you sometimes spoil your healthy, intelligent approaches to different matters by such unbalanced statements deriving from a 'superiority' complex which is a result of an underlying inferiority complex.

In any case, Armenia and Iran like in the past will continue to have cordial relations based on mutual interests, regardless of the Genocide 'recognition'. In today's political atmosphere Iran's recognition of the Genocide would not have much significance, in my opinion.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

But how does the presence of J3ws in media point to the conclusion that they are trying to control to world and/or brainwash white people? In Russia, the construction business is under the hands of Armenians, are we trying to take over Russia and its infrastructure? Or have we just been successful in that sector and been valued for our high level of work in that business thus taken it over? When I say evidence I mean showing that a reputable and large J3wish organisation has stated that their main goal is the brainwashing of white folks and bringing the world more under their control. Making such rash conclusions doesn't prove anything - there has to be direct evidence. And I know a thing of two about the dangers of extrapolation.

Mos, are you one of those people that really needs to see something with their eyes and told 1000 times something before you may believe it? Put the pieces together. While I am not saying there is a jooish/zionist conspiracy, they do dominate in the field of media and film, and this has been used to further pro-zionist causes. When you also know that zionism, for whatever reasons, is also aligned against Armenia's interests, then you can deduce certain things. No zionist or joo is going to give you a call and explain their plans. I think you, like most people, have grown up hearing all the sap stories from the jooish genocide and the propaganda about israel found on american news channels that it is so hard for you to accept that overall, the joos that matter, are zionists, and zionists have goals which have often run counter to those of the Armenians and Armenia. Can you accept this much or will you make excuses again?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Has the Islamic republic of Iran recognized the Armenian genocide on a state level? Is that such a difficult question?

I know the answer and I also know you can not xxxxx about the Us doing the same thing, I as an Armenian can do that but not one from a country that hasn't recognized itself and you don't even dare to say that they are wrong for not recognizing it.

The wrongs of Israel and the Us don't excuse the wrongs of Iran.

PS the Us as a state from 1915-1922 has done as much, even more than Iran, and they took in more Armenians than Iran did.

I will answer everyone of your questions in detail, as soon as you answer mine. Hurry up Karo, let's see if you're a man or a mouse.