How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

How many innocent civilians were killed when Israel invaded Lebanon or US invaded Iraq?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Firstly, Israel nor US target innocent civilians, there military actions may result in civilian deaths but they do not go and specifically target innocent lives. The terrorists specifically target innocent lives.

And still that justifies killing going and killing more innocent civilians? What kind of person are you? Why the hell do you bear the "eye for an eye" backwards mentality?? That is an ideal that was rejected in Christianity, of course if you are a Christian to start with you would understand this...

Yeah like: Henry Kissinger, George W. Bush, xxxx Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Ariel Sharon and on...

Some of them may have done bad things, but they never directly supported going and killing innocent civilians. there's a very fine line.

[Yedtarts]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Killing innocent civilians is freedom fighting? Really? What kind of BS is that? Terrorism is using terror to achieve a goal. And that terror almost always includes killing people, almost all of the time innocent ones.

How many innocent civilians were killed when Israel invaded Lebanon or US invaded Iraq?

Terrorism is done by sick and deranged people, there's no justification for it, at all.

Yeah like: Henry Kissinger, George W. Bush, xxxx Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Ariel Sharon and on...

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

If you're referring to equality between men and women, the only difference between Judaism and Islam is the perception the media portrays.

Actually xxxish woman tend to be more dominant in the household than the man. Being xxxish is heavily associated with having a xxxish mother. Remember there are many xxxs that live outside Israel. In Israel you may have some unfair laws, especially when it comes to the very orthodox, but it's no where near the inequality that exists in Islam.

Define terrorism. As I stated before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Killing innocent civilians is freedom fighting? Really? What kind of BS is that? Terrorism is using terror to achieve a goal. And that terror almost always includes killing people, almost all of the time innocent ones.

Terrorism is done by sick and deranged people, there's no justification for it, at all.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

You cannot compare that to a woman being oppressed just because she's a woman. In most cases woman can choose if they want to be prostitutes or not, and when it comes to such sex trafficking case it's illegal while oppressing those woman in the muslim countries is legal under Sharia law.

If you're referring to equality between men and women, the only difference between Judaism and Islam is the perception the media portrays.

So do you still support terrorism?

Define terrorism. As I stated before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Hmm... I suggest you read up on some pretty oppressive laws in Israel.

Under Israel's Divorce Laws, Men Get The Final Word

Israel has a singular system when it comes to matters of family law. For J3ws, the religious or rabbinical court is the only one able to grant a divorce. The court rules according to J3wish law — a system that has been in place for thousands of years — and it is run exclusively by Orthodox rabbis.

If he's incapacitated, if he's abusive, if he committed adultery, it really doesn't matter. If he doesn't say yes, you're stuck.

- Susan Weiss, of the Center for Women's Justice

According to J3wish law, a man has to agree to grant the divorce of his own free will before the legal separation can proceed. Rights groups say the system unfairly discriminates against women.

"If he's incapacitated, if he's abusive, if he committed adultery, it really doesn't matter," says Susan Weiss, who runs the Center for Women's Justice in Israel. "If he doesn't say yes, you're stuck."

Ramit Alon, 40, was living in an Orthodox community with her husband and three children when she decided to leave her marriage.

"I got married 16, almost 17 years ago," Alon says. "We had some problems as a couple, and 4 1/2 years ago, I left. I took my kids and just ran away."

Alon says she was optimistic about what lay ahead. "I thought that after I leave, it will take some months and then I could get divorced and start again, a new life. But it's not over."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=125673859

Did I mention Israel has an example of women's rights? It's surely much better than Muslim countries but Israel to has its problems, as it's governmental laws have some theocratic elements.

They are being brought into the country with the notion that they'll have jobs when they get there and then they are forced into prostitution. That's not choice.

You cannot compare that to a woman being oppressed just because she's a woman. In most cases woman can choose if they want to be prostitutes or not, and when it comes to such sex trafficking case it's illegal while oppressing those woman in the muslim countries is legal under Sharia law.

So do you still support terrorism?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

In general Western women are treated far better than women in middle east. Take the average woman from France and Iran. Not only that at least in the West you don't have the idiotic sharia laws that account for all that oppression. I'm not saying all Muslims are uneducated, but the sharia laws and the Islamic society greatly hinder secular education as they focus on islamic education which in my opinion doesn't do you much good. I mean they banned Music for crying out loud in Iran universities because it's un-islamic. Just idiotic.

Hmm... I suggest you read up on some pretty oppressive laws in Israel.

Under Israel's Divorce Laws, Men Get The Final Word

Israel has a singular system when it comes to matters of family law. For J3ws, the religious or rabbinical court is the only one able to grant a divorce. The court rules according to J3wish law — a system that has been in place for thousands of years — and it is run exclusively by Orthodox rabbis.

If he's incapacitated, if he's abusive, if he committed adultery, it really doesn't matter. If he doesn't say yes, you're stuck.

- Susan Weiss, of the Center for Women's Justice

According to J3wish law, a man has to agree to grant the divorce of his own free will before the legal separation can proceed. Rights groups say the system unfairly discriminates against women.

"If he's incapacitated, if he's abusive, if he committed adultery, it really doesn't matter," says Susan Weiss, who runs the Center for Women's Justice in Israel. "If he doesn't say yes, you're stuck."

Ramit Alon, 40, was living in an Orthodox community with her husband and three children when she decided to leave her marriage.

"I got married 16, almost 17 years ago," Alon says. "We had some problems as a couple, and 4 1/2 years ago, I left. I took my kids and just ran away."

Alon says she was optimistic about what lay ahead. "I thought that after I leave, it will take some months and then I could get divorced and start again, a new life. But it's not over."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=125673859

Sex trafficking is a disgrace but you can't compare that to sharia law oppression where woman have no choice and are oppressed just because they are born woman. More less, women can choose if they want to be prostitutes or not.

They are being brought into the country with the notion that they'll have jobs when they get there and then they are forced into prostitution. That's not choice.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Like there aren't parts of Europe (especially since its unification) or North America where women are treated like trash. Besides, you're grouping entire Muslim groups into one basket. Many cultures that adopted Islam as their religion treat women no different because their culture trumps their religion. I don't know what you're trying to say here because I know many Muslim scholars (men and women) who are way more educated than your average North American. When the media shows images of the Middle East and you see a stone age group of Arabs or Muslims what you're looking at is the Middle Eastern equivalent of your average North American redneck.

If you want to talk about how women are treated in Israel, I don't think you want to open up that can of worms. Human trafficking for sex and prostitution (mostly Russian girls being brought into Israel) is quite common. It's done by all countries and nobody is innocent. Certainly there are areas where Islam does oppress women but it's probably THE WORST in Saudi Arabia yet nobody is complaining as long as the oil if flowing freely.

In general Western women are treated far better than women in middle east. Take the average woman from France and Iran. Not only that at least in the West you don't have the idiotic sharia laws that account for all that oppression. I'm not saying all Muslims are uneducated, but the sharia laws and the Islamic society greatly hinder secular education as they focus on islamic education which in my opinion doesn't do you much good. I mean they banned Music for crying out loud in Iran universities because it's un-islamic. Just idiotic.

Sex trafficking is a disgrace but you can't compare that to sharia law oppression where woman have no choice and are oppressed just because they are born woman. More less, women can choose if they want to be prostitutes or not.

As far as most terrorist being Muslim... from their point of view, they are freedom fighters. If you came into my country and killed my family or raped my wife or daughter I'd be happy to strap on a bomb and take you out with me. But hey, we're all just human.

Freedom fighters? How the hell is killing innocent civilians freedom fighting? They are murders plain and simple what have those innocent civilians done to them? Killing innocent civilians does nothing, absolutely nothing. It just shows more how idiotic those type of people are. They use the Q'uran verses which state literally to "kill the infidel" (yes that means you as well) to justify their gruesome acts. I can't believe you are justifying terrorism.

Many of these terrorists didn't have their wives or children raped, most of them are just deranged with twisted notions of the world. They have no compassion, no mercy, no humanity in them. Stop defending those lunatics for crying out loud.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

What are you trying to prove here? Try going to any conservative Islamic village and see how woman are treated there. Probably cattle are treated better. Or how education is suppressed in Islamic societies. The only time Europe stepped out of repression and dark ages was when the church was separated from the state, and the notion of "secularism" was established as a pillar of society. That enlightenment hasn't reach much of the Muslim world (though exists in some like Turkey). Additionally, most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists in the modern age are Muslim. And these terrorists use no other than the Q'uran to justify their disgusting acts.

The US-Israeli alliance is no surprise to anyone. The Israeli lobby in the US is very powerful. You also have US supporting countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt in the same way. I've heard US criticizing Israel's continuation of settlements also...

Like there aren't parts of Europe (especially since its unification) or North America where women are treated like trash. Besides, you're grouping entire Muslim groups into one basket. Many cultures that adopted Islam as their religion treat women no different because their culture trumps their religion. I don't know what you're trying to say here because I know many Muslim scholars (men and women) who are way more educated than your average North American. When the media shows images of the Middle East and you see a stone age group of Arabs or Muslims what you're looking at is the Middle Eastern equivalent of your average North American redneck.

As far as most terrorists being Muslim... from their point of view, they are freedom fighters. If you came into my country and killed my family or raped my wife or daughter I'd be happy to strap on a bomb and take you out with me. But hey, we're all just human.

If you want to talk about how women are treated in Israel, I don't think you want to open up that can of worms. For example, human trafficking for sex and prostitution (mostly Russian girls being brought into Israel) is quite common. It's done by all countries and nobody is innocent. Certainly there are areas where Islam does oppress women but it's probably THE WORST in Saudi Arabia yet nobody is complaining as long as the oil is flowing freely.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

It was never meant to be an Islamic revolution, many different people participated in that revolution, from communists to democrats, it wasn't about Islam necessarily, the revolution could of gone another way, but it went to an Islamic Republic unfortunately.

Also the reason for the revolution was more based on the Shah being a Western puppet, it was the Anglo-American coup in 1953 that took away our oil and made our nation a hostage of the USA and Britain for 25 years. Yeah

Some of the leading motives however was the "corruption" people saw in Iran when it came to morals, and this rang true in many of the Islamists of Iran who wanted the country to come closer with Islamic ideals as a way to purge Iran of those "corruptions". They installed a very theocratic government by wide popular support.

Though I'll agree the Iran doesn't deserve the idiotic regime that's in power now, it's really harms the rich Persian history that Iran has, and I hope a more sensible, less theocratic/islamist regime comes into power one day.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I can't believe I'm hearing this. Are you even living on this planet?

Oil. That is what the modern Middle Eastern geopolitics have usually been about. Given the vast energy resources that form the backbone of western economies, influence and involvement in the Middle East has been of paramount importance for the former and current imperial and super powers, including France, Britain, USA and the former Soviet Union.

Prior to the discovery of oil, the region had been a hotbed for religious conflict, and wars over other rich resources and arable land. The interests that the West (primarily Britain and France during European colonial times and now the US) had was been due to the energy and resource interests and to battle against the Ottoman Empire.

As a result, for centuries, the western population has been acclimatized to a type of propaganda and vilification of the Arab and other people of the Middle East, and of Islam in general. This was especially so during the European colonial times, as so vividly examined by Edward Said, in his well-respected book, Orientalism. Both before and after the Ottoman Empire, geopolitically speaking, this negative stereotyping has served to provide justifications for involvement and to ensure "stability" for the powers that wanted to be involved in the region. (I GUESS IT'S WORKING )

http://www.globalissues.org/issue/103/middle-east


Oh and as to why there is so much American Military involvement in the Middle East:


'Zionists control US foreign policy'

Thomas, a former White House journalist, said Israel can never be criticized in the US because Zionists are in control of the American foreign policy as well as its main institutions.

"I can call a president of the US anything in the book, but I can't touch Israel, which has J3wish-only roads in the West Bank," Thomas said.

The 90-year-old national columnist says the White House, Congress, Wall Street and Hollywood are all owned by the Zionists.

"Congress, the White House, Hollywood, and Wall Street are owned by the Zionists. No question, in my opinion," she said.

Thomas also said that she stands by the comments she made about Israel earlier this year, which was condemned by the local J3wish community.

Thomas had said that Israelis should get out of Palestine and return to their homes in Europe and the US.

In an interview, Thomas said that criticizing Israel was the reason she was forced to resign from Hearst Newspapers and was ostracized in Washington.

The longtime White House correspondent, who grew up in Detroit as the daughter of Lebanese immigrants, was in Dearborn for a workshop on anti-Arab bias.

J3wish groups have called Thomas' earlier remarks unfair and bigoted. They have also slammed Thursday's remarks.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/153755.html

What are you trying to prove here? Try going to any conservative Islamic village and see how woman are treated there. Probably cattle are treated better. Or how education is suppressed in Islamic societies. The only time Europe stepped out of repression and dark ages was when the church was separated from the state, and the notion of "secularism" was established as a pillar of society. That enlightenment hasn't reach much of the Muslim world (though exists in some like Turkey). Additionally, most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists in the modern age are Muslim. And these terrorists use no other than the Q'uran to justify their disgusting acts.

The US-Israeli alliance is no surprise to anyone. The Israeli lobby in the US is very powerful. You also have US supporting countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt in the same way. I've heard US criticizing Israel's continuation of settlements also...