What if Armenians were Muslim?

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I have a hard time understanding this......once Islamified how can they be Armenian?
They are Armenians who changed their religion so they can live better in Islamic states.

The Islamified Armenians are a different story. The conditions in which that process took place is so unreal that its incomparable to anything occurring under normal conditions. It was mainly people doing it under threat of death, woman being raped and taken in by force, or children being kidnapped and raised as muslims.

Armenians accepting them is completely different than accepting those who have randomly decided to change religions. I'm not particularly religious, but I think its fair to say that if someone changed their religion to Islam or Judaism, its unlikely they are going to have much affinity for the rest of their identity: the Armenian part. Of course there's always exceptions, but it only seems logical that almost all would not value their Armenian identity very much.


I would go a step further and say its absolutely logical that being non Armenian Apostolic Christian- Protestant or Catholic- makes you less likely to identify with the Armenian cause. Simply because if you bother to go to church, in an Armenian Apostolic Church, Armenia, Armenian issues, and and the Armenian Cause are a regular part of service. Even on a more basic level, your religious identity identifies you as an Armenian. This naturally makes you more likely to support the Armenian cause.


But more importantly, one of the key differences between us and the Assyrians, who are painfully one or two generations away from becoming just a historic term, is that the Assyrians fractured into several churches, and languages, and so forth, while despite our bickering among ourselves, we've managed to stick together for the most part.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

While I am not super religious, I have a hard time accepting a muslim or jewish person of armenian descent.

It's because of prejudice that you, me and most of us have towards other Armenians, who are not exactly like our selfs.
Real Armenian is anybody that considers himself/herself as Armenian, carries in heart a love for Armenia and all kinds of Armenians and is ready to do whatever in power, to benefit Armenian republic.
It does not really matter if he/she is a Muslim, Jewish religious, atheist or any type of Christian.

[Shant03]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

While I am not super religious, I have a hard time accepting a muslim or jewish person of armenian descent.

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Right.....its mind boggling.

I have an Aunt in Iran who changed to Islam but she still the same Armenian woman.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Is being Armenian all about religion?
Then Catholic or Protestant or other Armenians are not really Armenian

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

islamified Armenians.

I have a hard time understanding this......once Islamified how can they be Armenian?
They are Armenians who chaanged their religion so they can live better in Islamic states.

[Eddo211]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

Since their conversion to Christianity, Armenians were the type who allied themselves periodically to greater powers, so long as they can keep their ties to their church intact. Once this is threatened, rebellion ensues, and since our numbers our small, our people generally get killed a lot for it, but still manage to hold on somehow and stubbornly survive.

Hell, we played the Persians against the Romans and then later against the Byzantium (we died fighting on both sides too), and we played the Ottomans against the Russians.....whatever it took to survive.

Armenia's survival strongly was/is influenced by our code of honor. The world "Azg" is very old before there was nationalism in the world.

Armenian warrior's strict Code of Honor since recorded history:

- Loyalty to the homeland above all else
- Allegiance to the King
- Loyalty to the people of Armenia
- Loyalty to ones family
- Piety to the Armenian Religious Creed
- Personnel reputation and Valor

[KanadaHye]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

Since their conversion to Christianity, Armenians were the type who allied themselves periodically to greater powers, so long as they can keep their ties to their church intact. Once this is threatened, rebellion ensues, and since our numbers our small, our people generally get killed a lot for it, but still manage to hold on somehow and stubbornly survive.

The Armenian hallmark is to follow the leading powers of the day as Armenians generally enjoy living among the elite. Even Saddam Hussein surrounded himself and trusted Armenians as we are generally loyal to the hand that feeds even if we'd rather bite it.

[jgk3]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

If that had happened there would be no Armenian today - Armenians would just be another on of those extinct ethnic groups. We would have assimilated into the bigger neighbouring groups.

Since their conversion to Christianity, Armenians were the type who allied themselves periodically to greater powers, so long as they can keep their ties to their church intact. Once this is threatened, rebellion ensues, and since our numbers our small, our people generally get killed a lot for it, but still manage to hold on somehow and stubbornly survive.

[Mos]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

If Armenians would have chosen to ally themselves with an Arab orientation, who knows what would happen. We would have a completely different history.

If that had happened there would be no Armenian today - Armenians would just be another on of those extinct ethnic groups. We would have assimilated into the bigger neighbouring groups.